You are a bad man...that caption made my day!

What people seem to fail to realize that Bill Clinton's "DADT" did not prohibit gays from serving in the military. It only meant that commanders could not ask members if they were homosexual, and as long as the service members were not open about their sexual preference, they could serve.

Now of course, gays will become the next protected group - anyone who says something mean to a homosexual will be prosecuted. Gays will demand to be included in the diversity statistics, and to be given special consideration for promotions, prestige assignments and so on.

Yes, talk about moving goal posts.

DADT was actually an *improvement* over previous policy, a not too terrible compromise.

My only issue with the repeal is one of boundaries. Not having good people have to lie any more is a good thing -- but will the new policy allow any 'nuance' in cases where a gay service member is genuinely being in-your-face or otherwise disruptive with it? Or it is now a case where they can do no wrong? Regardless of what the regs may allow for, lower officers may totally back off if they feel their superiors won't back them.

The whole thing is so arbitrary anyway--when I was in the Army over 20 years ago (before DADT) the Army was trying to throw out a senior NCO (actually the guy had been drafted, and had just stayed in) for being gay--and the hell of it was--is that he'd told his draft board 17 years earlier that he was gay, and they told him "We don't care, you're going, boy".

Clinton's just an old homophobic southern gentleman. He threw gays under the bus, added a decade to the legacy of outrageous government perpetrated prejudice. The next Democrat elected, Obama, continued prosecutions until the last hour of the last day, in a sop to the strong anti-gay bias among American blacks.

All very well, but....
The first two women to graduate F14 school did so with failing grades. One blew an approach and was killed and the other was grounded for unsafe flying. The F14 is a two-seater, which means the Navy took two people who hadn't done it any harm that we know of and put them in aircraft flown by demonstably unqualified pilots. This is a betrayal of some weight.
There was a report that nine officers are going to be investigated for failing to stop Hasan's greased slide to Ft. Hood and mass murder. More than likely, they'll have something to say about fearing accusations of islamophobia.
Now that gays are "out", they might become an accredited victim group, as they are in civilian life. Can we expect the same special treatment demanded for fear of accusations of homophobia?
For good soldiers, they'll get along. For substandard troops, there's always the gay card.
Anybody interested in putting some money on the assertion it won't happen?
Thought not.
In case it's necessary to state--shouldn't be--accusations of some "phobia" or other need no evidence and can't be disproven and will ruin your career. Indeed, just after Hasan killed a baker's dozen of loyal soldiers, wounding several dozen others, Gen. Casey said he hoped it wouldn't ruin our diversity. Means if you see appalling performance and demonstrated Islamic nutcasery, he doesn't want to hear about it. Loud and clear, general, sir.

All very well, but....
The first two women to graduate F14 school did so with failing grades. One blew an approach and was killed and the other was grounded for unsafe flying. The F14 is a two-seater, which means the Navy took two people who hadn't done it any harm that we know of and put them in aircraft flown by demonstably unqualified pilots. This is a betrayal of some weight.
There was a report that nine officers are going to be investigated for failing to stop Hasan's greased slide to Ft. Hood and mass murder. More than likely, they'll have something to say about fearing accusations of islamophobia.
Now that gays are "out", they might become an accredited victim group, as they are in civilian life. Can we expect the same special treatment demanded for fear of accusations of homophobia?
For good soldiers, they'll get along. For substandard troops, there's always the gay card.
Anybody interested in putting some money on the assertion it won't happen?
Thought not.
In case it's necessary to state--shouldn't be--accusations of some "phobia" or other need no evidence and can't be disproven and will ruin your career. Indeed, just after Hasan killed a baker's dozen of loyal soldiers, wounding several dozen others, Gen. Casey said he hoped it wouldn't ruin our diversity. Means if you see appalling performance and demonstrated Islamic nutcasery, he doesn't want to hear about it. Loud and clear, general, sir.

I happen to have been working a project on Camp Pendleton in close proximity to 20-30 US Marines of all ranks. 75% of them have said pretty openly (officers present) that this would be a major factor in not re-enlisting within the next two years. I hope we don't need to defend the country.

SDN: They won't re-enlist because they're afraid of the ghey? Good. Those babies need to grow up and join the real world.

Next will be PX privileges for gay 'spouses' and then housing. Medical care follows along with the allotments for 'dependents?' and all the post privileges for them.

This isn't about equality unless one takes the Leftist view of that definition. This will come to erosion. The military is not a club, not a place for social engineering.

As I understand the law, DADT repeal does not make gays and lesbians a protected group as it relates to the military. It does not protect someone who tries to hide behind it because he or she is terrible at his or her job, has a poor work ethic, or bad attitude towards coworkers.

Now, that doesn't mean that they won't be treated as a protected group by some, but I doubt there will be much sympathy if someone tries to pull the gay card as a reason for just about anything.

"Don't ask don't tell" was just a po-gqay way of ignoring the uniform code of military justice created by the congress. Congrss could have changed the law at any time.

Bill Peschel: I bet you wouldn't say that to the face of any of those Marines. And, since you obviously didn't serve, it might come as a surprise to you that military service is not the "real world" (i.e., the civilian world). In what civilian job can you be prosecuted for quitting? In what civilian job are you told where to live and with whom? Military service is not a job you come home from at 5 p.m.--it's a way of life. A way of life based on honor. And I'm sorry, but there's no honor in sodomy.

Actually DADT was very homophobic.
The policy prohibited people who "demonstrate a propensity or intent to engage in homosexual acts" from serving in the armed forces of the United States, because their presence "would create an unacceptable risk to the high standards of morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion that are the essence of military capability.