Comments: Let me just reiterate: YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH AMMUNITION. So, whydontcha get on that, mkay?

And figure out the differences between types of firearms. Best: bolt action long rifle. Not best: carbine. All things being equal, of course.

Posted by Casey Klahn at April 28, 2015 7:21 PM

Even if you have "tens of thousands of rounds" you're not going to make it where you're at because you just can't shoot fast enough.

Say you have an AR with doubled 30 rd mags and you have a box of 100 doubles (6,000 rds) sitting on the floor in front of you as a horde of 5,000 starving hoons come your way. Your gun is gonna stovepipe before you get 1000 rds out. If you have a 100% kill rate there will still be 4,000 savages eating your flesh after they've raped you to death.

Gwan, gitcha one of them hellfire things and strap it on there, won't help, you'll still get raped.

You have to put some S P A C E between you and them. Then you can use your CheyTac and WindRunner to start taking them out at 1000+ yds. Then, and only then, may you have a chance.

If you're real smart you're already far enough out that they'll never make it to you.

Posted by ghostsniper at April 28, 2015 8:01 PM

Good advice from you two. Long guns mean you can engage targets at a distance and after a few kills get away. Run away. The psychological effects of long gunners, call 'em snipers despite the recent hype in movies and MSM, is to instill fear in the guys standing next to the one that catches one in the head. A head shot kinda sprays grey matter and blood.

I have assault weapons and pistols but only for self-defense and when I go someplace. Claymores and other energetic devices help a lot. For social moments when twenty looters show up inside my perimeter. Most of us are not runner-gunners that can crawl and duck around with fifty yard shooting and it only takes one bad guy to whack me on the head with a two-by-four. Oh, I'll go down swinging but I will go down.

Posted by chasmatic at April 28, 2015 9:11 PM

It has been said, the "golden horde" will not make it out of the city more than 20 to 30 miles when on foot. Oh a few will commandeer vehicles but the horde will kill off inside the 30 mile perimeter. That being said, "guns, lots of guns" is the order of the day. .338 Lapua for reaching out to touch someone or a .308 will do, an AK or AR for general perimeter work, 12ga. shottie for up close and personal and at least a couple of sidearms for inside work. Oh, and as much ammo as you can afford. A small investment for a potentially huge return. And if there is a large number of ferels, dropping a few dozen will signal retreat for the rest, hopefully. Oh and if you live in a NFA jurisdiction a full auto is nice to have and a lot of fun otherwise.

Posted by tripletap at April 29, 2015 2:51 AM

I only wrote that because I can't afford an 81 mm Mortar. A buddy is refurbing a Sherman tank, though...

Posted by Casey Klahn at April 29, 2015 5:56 AM

Urban equals handgun. Just carry it. Always. And a knife...a tire thumper...etc.

Besides, I doubt the SHTF starts with a nice little warning on CNN so all the ladies can remember to bring their AR's to work and back home.

Love my .270 but doubt I'll get to use in my urban area...which I'll be too busy vacating anyways.

Ann's predictions are kind'a eerie. Hope she's wrong but prepared for the worst. Are you?

tim

Posted by Lands’nGrooves at April 29, 2015 6:06 AM

The waves of looters will be something like this:

*first will come infrastructure shutdown, no electricity, run out of fuel, food disappears from shelves, rioting and looting as we see in Ferguson, B'more;
*as the stuff runs out the mob will spread to the suburbs, private homes looted;
*after the shock and furor wears off the cleaver ones will mobilize, here is where drug gangs and cartel groups can step in and organize;
*we will see rivalries and power struggles among them;
*once the military gets fired upon they will have to respond, shoot to kill orders issued;

While all this is going on the good guys will be fleeing the urban centers. The smart ones already live in rural or small town settings. It will be time for the militias, neighborhood watches, concerned bands of citizens to organize. Membership in churches, fraternal organizations, neighborhood watch groups will serve us well.

The government will have stepped in, remember Katrina? but they will meet with opposition. Cops and military are not your friends. Hopefully they will be facing out to meet any looters, not facing in to restrain us. Local LE can make a decision: with us or not. Down around my place they are local boys and will stand by their families and friends. For example, several Border Patrol officers are members of my Masonic Lodge. they are on our side.

Posted by chasmatic at April 29, 2015 6:11 AM

If you're urban and you plan on waiting til the last second you haven't been paying attention and live in a bubble.

You won't get out, the exits will be blocked.
ALL of them.

To get through you'll need to kill jackboots. Lot's of overdressed psychopaths that are itching to kill you.

Here's fuel for your inducement to get you off your ass:

Imagine your wife, your daughter, your son, getting gang raped every which way by 2 legged animals you wouldn't let mow your lawn and then killed while you watch, and then they do you.

That is the future that awaits you, if you let it.
Now is the time to think ahead. Not tomorrow. Now.

Most of us aren't going to make it.
Some will die fighting, most will die cowering.
Now go back to your soaps.....

It's almost 1pm, Shannon and me are strapping up and going on our daily 6 mile forced field march.
3 down, 3 up. Alice, Remington, Beretta.

Posted by ghostsniper at April 29, 2015 9:41 AM

BTW, if you're not watching this place everyday there's something wrong inside your brain housing group.

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/

That's the best advice I can give you. You're on your own.

Posted by ghostsniper at April 29, 2015 9:43 AM

ghostsniper speaks truth. I follow westernshooters.

Posted by Van der Leun at April 29, 2015 8:47 PM

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