The Known Universe

Still don't believe in God?

Posted by Doug at April 2, 2017 4:04 AM

"Still don't believe in God?"

Is that a challenge? How about this, then. Still don't believe you can [insert qualifier] God? Because w/o that infinite presumption in place, obviously your God is in your head, lent properties you were generous enough to impart.

Anyway, one of the pop beliefs these days is that the Big Bang = classic Creation. While this bears some weight it does so only to label the BB as the creation myth it is. Only. The rest remains conjecture.

The BB has one interesting property, however. In the space of a few decades it went from the theory it is to the undisputed fact it is not. Much of that we can thank the Believer for, which is one of the more delicious ironies around.

So, what have we learned? That God is eminently labelable - you don't believe in GOD! - and the origin of Everything is understood.

Uh, no. Neither are understood, in the slightest.

Posted by Ten at April 2, 2017 5:11 AM

Journey to the center of the Universe does seem to have more than a few scientists flustered.

Posted by indyjonesouthere at April 2, 2017 9:05 AM

Why is shit tapered on the end?? So your asshole won't slam shut. And THAT, my friends, is intelligent design. Hey Doug... practice questioning WHO Doug is and your delusions of tinyness and separation might begin to dissolve.

Posted by Tom Hyland at April 2, 2017 9:41 AM

"Of all the saints and sages who spoke so wisely of the two worlds, their words to scorn are scattered, and their mouths are stopt with dusr."
-- Omar Khayyam

What contains the known and unknown universe? And what created that container? The answers are irrreducible to written words or pictures. I'd tell you, if I didn't have all this dust in my mouth.

Posted by Howard Nelson at April 2, 2017 9:57 AM

Nothing has solved the problem of the Prime Mover: Ask yourself, 'What created _________?' (The earth, the universe, etc.)

Keep going back. Something always created that, and then something created THAT, and so on.

Either it's turtles all the way down... or it's the Big G.

Take your pick. But for me, infinite turtles is pretty unsatisfying.

Posted by Smokey at April 2, 2017 2:09 PM

Finally,a film worth watching. Makes the Hollywood Spacewars junk look like the boring crap it is. Nicely done,AMNH.

Posted by Nori at April 2, 2017 3:17 PM

"Either it's turtles all the way down... or it's the Big G."

Of course. On a corner of God's big desk hovers a softly glowing orb suspended between ancient brass electrodes, one on either side. Soft light like dust fills the orb, having taken fourteen billion years to transit from one end to the other, a space of sixteen inches. This powering energy comes from Nowhere - in our perspective - yet we believe in thermodynamics and laws and origins.

The light from this sea of haze the size of a football is instantaneously visible in this, the greatest Study not yet imagined and forever unimaginable, with its endless halls of knowledge and its cathedrals of meaning. There is no G-d in the room because if there were, It'd be contained, limited. Known, even if in the tiniest sliver of insight and G-d cannot be known.

The problem isn't just the endless turtles. It's the Nothingness G-d violates with a mystery not a mind can ever grasp.

G-d doesn't for us answer anything. It is just another of our placeholders for everything and nothing all at once.

Posted by Ten at April 2, 2017 4:27 PM

Thanks for the wonder, G.
Why I save AD for the end of the finish on a positive note.

Posted by foodog at April 2, 2017 4:41 PM

@ Ten, above: "... there is no G-d in the room..."
G-d, being understood as being omnipresent, is all -- room​, it, that,
light, darkness, you -- all.
As the kingdom​ of heaven is within, go within to discover the king, the everpresent.
None of the Masters, jnanis all, reject meditation as a preparation.
You can even Google you tube instructive interviews
with masters of reality in the forms of Papaji, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Neem Karoli Baba ... with commentaries by David Godman, Ram Das, Stephen Wolinsky, ...
We are not what we think we are. Who Am I? What Am I? Be alertly, thoughtlessly silent.

Posted by Howard Nelson at April 2, 2017 7:08 PM

Be as a little child.
Do your work, eat and drink, be joyful with the spouse of your youth.
That is what is given to mankind.

Posted by pbird at April 2, 2017 9:42 PM