George Felos, Lawyer for Michael Schiavo, and Telepath to the Comatose

Gerard, have you checked out the Schiavo timeline? I've got a link to it in this morning's “Catching my eye”. Interesting stuff.

Apparently, Felos has added a new dimension to the legal adage “when the law supports your case argue the law; when the facts support your case argue the facts; when neither the facts nor the law favor your case, pound on the table”. Now it's table-rapping rather than table-pounding.

Posted by Dave Schuler at March 21, 2005 9:02 AM

Man, in which episode DIDN'T they have phasic parasites attached to their bodies?

Posted by Lileks at March 21, 2005 11:06 AM

Among the worst paragraphs I have ever read, and I've read thousands of essays by college Freshmen.

Astounding really.

Posted by Old Dad at March 21, 2005 11:16 AM

Felos also says: "The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. Their sacrifice saved humanity at the brink of extinction and propelled us into a new age." (pg 240)

George "Terri is having a beautiful death" Felos seems to like blaming the victim.

Posted by Yehudit at March 27, 2005 3:27 PM

George Felos can have his way with Terri Shiavo. I know spirits live forever. I hope her spirit visits him often.

Posted by KF at March 29, 2005 2:31 AM

George Felos is such an unappetizing spectacle of a lawyer defending such a protracted and heartless dying process as his client put Terri Schindler (I will not give her the blackened Schiavo name henceforth) through. When he makes his smarmy appearances on TV, touting that Michael Schiavo snake, I mutter, "The little worm."

Posted by Onion Lover at March 31, 2005 9:47 AM

I agree that Terri has the right to die with dignity but not by starving her to that death.

Joseph, Port Hueneme, CA

Posted by Joseph at March 31, 2005 11:47 AM

I suspect that Felos was the cowardly nerd in school who was easily offended, who didn't play well with the other kids, wasn't into sports and was turned down for a starring role in "Revenge of the Nerds." Oh, and I bet he has a luxurious home overlooking the vortexes in Sedona, too. He missed the Mothership comet that was coming to whisk Marshall Applewhite and the other Culture of Death wackos away to the mystical planet of Death Euphoria.

Posted by DJ at March 31, 2005 1:21 PM

gee, why don't we just kill the pope too by removing his feeding tube? Evil is prevailing and it is terrifying and sickening. Mr. Felos, (Mr. Evil) why don't you go be the council for the pope so he can die too and bring the other evil man Mr. Schiavo to be your co council. You two make a great team. I love how you kind of stuttered and choked when asked about book and movie deals, how much money are all you sick people going to make anyway? You loved your wife? you are not aware of what the words mean. What were you screwing your other so called wife down the hall in the hospice while your OTHER wife was dying for now reason at all. In Gods name why not just go on with your evil little pitiful life and let people who REALLY love Terri like her parents take care of her for life. Makes no sense to a compassionate non evil person as myself. I almost feel happy when I hear death threats for you. But what would that accomplish? Death is too good for you. Maybe if someone would of gotten rid of you prior to Terri's death so maybe guardian ship would of gone to her parents. You are not even human, you are sick, evil unkind, "love your wife" if you love your wife you would'nt be screwing another woman, you sick pig. Tell your other so called wife to have a living will, God only knows what you are going to do to her. I have lost some faith in everything. It shows the mentally that the world is in, but the one thing I do know, Is you will GET YOUR PAYBACK. That is a given. It's just a shame it never comes at the right time or when you will know what the payback is for. You are a shallow low life soul, with many more years or life times to suffer, and suffer you will. God knows what you have done, that's all the really matters. And by the Mr. Great lawyer of death, Mr. Felos, since when is hear say allowed in court? Why should we believe Mr. evil Schiavo that his wife made some statement that she wanted to die. Why would anyone believe this? I just watched the press conference from the Schindler family and they have more grace and composure and possibly more forgiveness than someone like me who didn't even know Terri. I am just angry, hurt and discouraged by our country. Mr. Felos and Mr Schiavo, stay the hell away from the pope, what do you want another book deal?

Posted by Jennifer at March 31, 2005 1:47 PM

One can only hope that when it is Felos and Schiavo's time to die, they will experience the same fate as Terry . . . no food or water . . .

Posted by concerned citizen at March 31, 2005 6:23 PM

George Felos stated on Fox News that "She had the right to "experience" the love with her husband in her last moments".........WELL! how do you like that statement!? He has been saying right along that she is in a vegetative state and has no awareness, and her movements are purely reactions with no difinitive emotion. He is either a poor lier, or dilusional, possibly both? He has passed the test and graduated from the official PULL THE PLUG CLUB along with Judge Greer, the so called Baptist! @#$%^!
What a sad mass of organic matter these people are!

Posted by muskie, Connecticut at March 31, 2005 7:25 PM

Her parents had all rights to her-You moved on Micheal-Why so evil?Your pictures make you look like a smart ass-You proved you are-what did you get out of this?You couldn't love her and have two kids with another woman-That's not love-

Posted by Sandy at March 31, 2005 8:58 PM

How can man, who is sleeping with, having sex with, living with and fathered two children with another woman have a right to decide the fate of his "beloved" wife and end her life? ...Answer: Felos...(I just don't understand how they got away with it?)

Posted by george at March 31, 2005 9:46 PM

Sadly, Felos' comments are typical of the attitudes and beliefs of those involved in so-called "new age" religions. Get ready - there's more of this sort of thing coming.

Posted by James at April 1, 2005 12:14 AM

I only hope that the Felos and Schiavo families never have to go thru this again, or that their childrens spouses never have to make this same decision. The Schiavo family having the burial at "some undisclosed location so that Terri's family won't be there" is childish and self serving. Is he afraid of something? Remember,
"What goes around comes around" and if I was the spouse of their children, I would do the exact same thing to them, and only them. Nobody on earth, but them, deserves that treatment. Rest in peace sweet Terri.

Posted by Bev at April 1, 2005 5:25 AM

Can anyone tell me where exactly Michael Schiavo works? Somewhere I read he worked in the emergency room in a hospital in Tampa. I'd like to know so that I NEVER go to that hospital.

Posted by Peggy at April 1, 2005 6:40 AM

Question for felos..........If she felt no pain & was "brain dead" why the morphine?? And if Michael was taking such good care of Terri, why prohibit any type of cameras or video in her room?

Posted by P at April 1, 2005 8:41 AM

Of course Mr. Felos is allowed to practice law and expound publicly on his views based upon his spirituality gleaned from his mystical inspiration. However, jurors in Colorado are not allowed to deliver a verdict based upon their spiritually inspired by the Bible. Go figure.

Posted by DaveD at April 1, 2005 9:49 AM

If anyone wanted to send a greetings to ghoul George Felos, here is his business address:
FELOS & FELOS, P.A.
PRINCIPAL ADDRESS
595 MAIN STREET
DUNEDIN FL 34698
This nice town is a few miles north of Clearwater.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 1, 2005 10:09 AM

I would hate to be FELOS or SHIAVO or anyone else

that had anything to do with Terri's execution

on "THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT DAY"

There will be weeping, whelling and nashing of teeth when God say " Depart from Me, I NEVER KNEW
YOU! They all will then see the inferno that George Felos speaks about in his demonic book.

bjg

Posted by Betty at April 1, 2005 4:23 PM

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Subject: Fw: Terri Schiavo (the bravest woman on this Earth)
Date: April 2, 2005 8:45 AM

Are you also a scum lawer?
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From: 0407jonq@nbnet.nb.ca
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Subject: Terri Schiavo (the bravest woman on this Earth)


Why dont they charge the Small and pointed head ,George Felos,That man has to be the worst hypocrite that i have ever seen,He took $450.000 form Terri to feed his greed,What is the matter anyway ,whith that bunch of Arogant and Greedy Lawers and Judges ,who dont seem to know the difference in between an ass and a brain,I must tell you ,that here in Canada ,if this was ever to happen, rest assured that who ever was involved ,would pay for it,And you Americans Who are so powerfull,You could not have stopped that bunch of Brainless Asshole idiots form carying out the death sentence of that poor woman!!!That woman was as much alive as i am ,As i watched her parent and the doctors talking to her,They only thing that was wrong with her ,was that she could not reply,So Greer decided to kill her,I am 76 years old myself ,and now i am scared to death ,that this could happen to me ,and many others.Thank You Gabriel Simard Fredericton New Brunswick canada

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 2, 2005 5:12 AM

Dear Gabriel Simard,

If you come back to look after you post, which I hope you do. Believe me, millions of American's tried everything we could to stop this from happening. It is the most barbaric act we have ever done in our history. America failed sweet Terri. Judge G W Greer took this case and he is actually to blind to even drive a car. Yet, he has this very important job. He has utter disdain for women. Demands to have facts and proof, yet he went on "hearsay", that his wife, Terri, wanted to die by dehydration to her mouth from her bigamist husband with two children from another women. That Judge is the cruelest man I have ever seen rule from America's bench. He not only pulled her tube, he denied her ice chips and water and she had the ability to swallow. Half of America believes the Ghoul Felos and the bastard of a husband, and the Corrupt Judge. There is something very wrong with this mans mind. His own church kicked him out for it. It may have been they found him worshipping Satan with Felos and Michael Schiavo. His professional discretion was slanted toward the husband, that had already tried to kill Terri once, and failed. This Judge denied any "hearsay" from Terri's family, as well as sworn affidavits from Hospice Nurses, 33 other Doctors, one Hospice Nurse actually went to the police to report Michael Schiavo's attempt to kill Terri with an overdose of insulin. The Judge threw it out of the record, said it was biased, not true. There was a audio video of Terri responding to her father, repeatedly. It was handed over to this Judge in 2002, just popped up on TV the night before Terri was finally murdered. That tape proved what those Hospice Nurses told Judge Greer and those other 33 doctors told him. Terri was not PVS. She was a handicapped brain damaged woman. The Judge is a devil worshipping bastard, in my opinion. There is nothing honorable about him. He is a very bad person. President Bush and our Congress along with Governor Bush had an emergency session on Palm Sunday, to make a bill, for Florida State to vote on, so Terri could have a review of her case, from the beginning. The Lawmakers in Florida, did not go with the bill, to save this women's life. These lawmakers did it out of pure vindictiveness and played politics with an innocent woman's life. They will pay for it with their jobs. They have issues. They were ignorant. They believed Judge Greer was being fair and not biased. Nothing could be further from the truth. Those other courts only saw what Judge Greer allowed them to see. With that new law, it would have forced the Federal courts to start all over again. They just wouldn't vote for the bill. They have the blood of Terri on their hands. Many American's are doing all we can to get this our of order Judge impeached. He is going to be retiring soon and says he will not run for reelection. That's a joke. He has now managed to kill two innocent women in America. One was not handicapped, the other was. Believe me, many of US hold our heads in shame and cry and don't feel that we have a place in the world anymore after this barbaric murder of Terri Schindler. He is a very corrupt evil man and thinks he has a place in the eyes of God. We have a moral war going on in America. If you defend the right to life, you are called a religious nut case, right winger. We are pitted against each other. It is sad. Anyway, that is just short run down on what happened. Total malfeasance and collusion from the bench. They will all face another court, A Criminal Court. It is not over by a long shot. I understand how you feel. You are right, it is inexcusable in America. Terri was a victim of abuse from her husband and was in the process of leaving him when she went down that night. So many details will come forth soon for a long long time. I am sorry. This American will fight so that it never happens again and Justice is served to all that are responsible. Promise, many will. Truthfully, she was surrounded by pure evil. I feel your passion. I share it with you. Thank you for loving and caring for Terri Schindler. She was a wonderful young woman. There are victories of the soul and spirit. Sometimes, even if you lose, you win.

-Elie Wiesel
Terri is with our God now, and she is free from her chains and free from her monster husband. America will not allow her to die in vain. Thank you for caring about Terri.

Posted by Booster at April 2, 2005 8:23 AM

Thank you for the reply to my posting I am not blaming all americans for Terri`s affair,As i know that americans are good peoples,But just because of a few bad case of some peoples who call themself "human" makes me wonder,And i hope that the good americans will make sure ,that the injustice that were given to Terri ,That they will dearly pay for it, ,And you will notice ,That this case of that poor woman ,has been watched from all across the world ,Thank You Gabriel Simard

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 2, 2005 10:30 AM

I have copied my post from similar thread here:

WHAT IS WRONG WITH FLORIDA? I live here, so here is what:
1) FL is not a southern state, it is only located in the south. Most of the people living here come from north, from commie-pinko-fag places like New England, New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconcin, Minnesota, etc. I came from PA.
2) Typically, people do not move down here to live, but to die. They say "I have only a few years to live, so I do not want to be bothered with anything". They do not care much about anything. They tolerate any corruption.
3) Florida is like a big motel. People move every few years, or die and new come in. There are no neighborhoods. Nobody knows anybody, all strangers. When I go to vote, there may be 10 on more judges on ballot. I have no idea who they are, so I do not vote for any of them.

All above (1,2,3) create a breeding ground for corruption. Most of the politician here are honest, I have no doubt. But, maybe a third of them are crooks, no doubt about that either. The same probably holds true for judges. There crooks create alliances, like Felos-Greer-Mikey and ex-sheriff. One crook helps the other crook. Because of Item 2, they proliferate, unchallenged. The cause of Terri's murder is judicial corruption.

Question is - who will put end to it? The mainsteam media are intelectual crooks and have no guts. Only bloggers can do it. So, go bloggers, latch into these crook's behind cracks like ticks, and don't let go!
The local paper in Pinellas Park area is St. Petersburg Times, they describe Greer, Felos and Mikey with almost Mother Thereza qualities. All peaches and cream, what idiotic paper! Crooks!

Just one comment about Ghoul Felos. The more "powerfull and influential" a lawyer is, the easier to take him down. I know that. So, no need to be afraid of Felos, he ain't nobody! He will fold like a house of cards. He is already a laughing stock among peers. Lets just keep pushing. Mikey, Greer & Felos will fold.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 2, 2005 11:59 AM

And you will notice ,That this case of that poor woman ,has been watched from all across the world ,Thank You Gabriel Simard

Posted by: Gabriel Simard at April 2, 2005 10:30 AM


Yes, I know that very well. I told you, we have no standing in the world after this. I want all our troops home. We have no business being anywhere else in the world defending the innocent from Tyranny. Many people in America do not have a clue to how important the death of Terri Schindler is or what it means. It is not a matter of "right to die", it is "matter of right to kill with that person doing that dying written implied consent". The Germans bought this same story in 1939, half of America bought this story. That should tell you something about what we are growing here. By the way, I am so embarrassed at my spelling errors and typos. Just consider me so "kicked in the gut" and I am staggering from it. I can hardly see to type straight. I assure you I am sober. What I have told you is the truth to what I know happened in those courts. I have read the court documents. I read the credentials of those four doctors that Judge Greer sided with and slapped Terri with a post it note on her forehead, "Terminal and PVS". Long story short, two of them are death advocates and speak on circuit around America. One of them diagnosed Terri from a TV screen as PVS. None of them spent ample time with Terri to diagnose her as PVS. One spent 45 minutes on one day, the other, 90 minutes for one day. One of them has quit and cut and run like hell to get away from the case. The last medical test performed on Terri was in 2002. And that was a cat scan that The Schinlders had to set their hair on fire, to get done. The Radiologist, that is actually the one that reads cat scans by the thousands, everyday, vehemently disagreed with these Doctors. Judge Greer tossed him. He is also tossed the other doctor that vehemently disagreed with them. They spent hours with Terri!!!!! Doctors have to spend hours with patients to diagnose PVS. This didn't happen. The GAL were most biased, the one that wasn't, was given the credit of the depth of a wafer. Judge Greer had the first bite out of the apple, and that bite, it stuck to every court in America, and he is protected under the law for doing it. I know why the urgent session was called by our Desperate Congress on Palm Sunday to pass that bill. I know why President Bush flew from Crawford Texas to sign and expedite that bill down to Tallahassee. It was to stop the Judicial Tyranny down in Pinellos County by an out- of- order- Tin Pot Tyrant Judge, and to save the life of an innocent handicapped brain damaged woman's life and give her a fair chance. America owed her that. There are many that rationlized this by saying this happens a 1,000 times a day in America. That is NOT true. No it does not, not like this. AND, I would like to believe that All of America holds their head in shame, but I can't tell you that. I know they don't. I also blame our out of control media. They see this as some kind of victory in their twisted minds. They blame religion and Republicans for abuse of Power. Wake UP CALL. Judge G W Greer is a Republican and an alleged Christian. That doesn't pass the smell test. It had nothing to do with either of the two. It had to do with saving one of our OWN....and WE FAILED! We are about one quarter of an inch from a Revolution if this kind of Tyranny continues. As far as my opinion of Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer, and Ghoul Felos, I dare them to come try to pull their stunt on me. They will feel the heat and the burn from my own Law Enforcement and My Courts that will kick them out of my state. We actually believe in the Rule of Law and the US Constitution and the Bill of rights for everyone in America and would never deny anyone "reasonable doubt" and would croak first before we would kill anyone by denying them food or water to their mouth. We would never deny anyone that chance to prove they could survive after their feeding tube was removed without their written implied consent. Judge Greer treated Michael Schiavo like his tongue was notarized. It was NOT. In fact it took Michael Schiavo seven years to remember what Terri wishes were.He didn't remember until after he won a frivolous lawsuit. He sued for 22 million, was given 2 million for Terri's care. He spent most of it on his Lawyers to kill Terri, instead of just divorcing her and giving her to her family. He struck Gold and met Fellos and got Greer to label her Terminal and placed her in Hospice for five years, threatening anyone that tried to improve Terr's condition. Removed them from her visiting list, barred her own family. The guy is a monster. This man claimed to know more about Terri in the six/seven years he was married to her than her own Mom and Dad, Brother and Sister knew about her after 41 years. Terri Schindler was denied such an easy chance to show the world her will to live and to survive with basic needs of life, WATER! If Terri had choked to death on water to her mouth, that is when she DIED BY NATURAL CAUSES. She was intentionally barbarically murdered and her husband kicked her own blood family from her room while she laid dying and was surrounded by the three men that made her death happen, excluding Judged Greer, He didn't have the common decency go look at Terri Schindler, ever He has never seen her face to face. He barbarically murdered her by his order. That should tell you something about this man. It is not over, nor will it be over until Justice is served for Terri Schindler and her Weary, worn out, broken-hearted blood family.
Yes, I know the world watched it all. They saw what they saw. It happened, much to my shame. But I was not one of those that sat on their hands. Many did, and will continue to do so. They will use it against the very same people that tried to SAVE TERRI to further their selfish twisted vision of America.

Take care~!

Hopping off my soap box.

Posted by Booster at April 2, 2005 5:04 PM

Seldom have I been lost for words. I just read that Terri was cremated today. Michael sure moves fast. How can anyone not believe he had something to hide. I also read that her parents asked for some of her ashes or a lock of her hair and they were refused. I ask you, what kind of a man/animal is this? Now he is in hiding. Figures. I can only hope Felos and Greer go underground also. God help us all !!!!

Posted by gloria at April 2, 2005 5:51 PM

George Felos and his client are murderers and proving to be incredibly insensitive human beings by how they are treating Terri's family..I hope
Michael Schiavo wrots in hell for his actions.

Posted by debbie at April 2, 2005 6:22 PM

Posted by: gloria at April 2, 2005 05:51 PM


Yes, I just heard that from my ear phones. I tell yah what. That autopsy sure went fast, didn't it. It better come back dirty, and show those broken bones that Terri's bone scan showed. Broken ribs, pelvis, broken femur, broken back, broken ankle. This bone scan, AMERICA, was hidden from the Schindler family until three years ago. America wants to know how that happened. If it doesn't show, we also want to know why. So, how does one loving bigamist hubby say when asked, "What happened Michael"? "Well, I don't know, it must have happened to Terri when she was in rehabilitation".. Whoah..wait a minute. You mean to tell me this bastard expects anyone to believe that after we know he is sue happy? Michael doesn't sue anyone. Strange. He has sued for 22 million before because of his idea of malpractice. It is too bad that doctor cowered and settled with him. "Brain chemical imbalance:, failure to diagnose. I don't think I could pull that off in my state. Does anyone entertain the thought he would miss out on this opportunity to defend and protect his wife against such abuse by the hands of medical professionals? HELLO. Don't you all wish I was telling you a lie. I am not. This is what happened. You keep on thinking this man is an Angel and a protector of his wife.

Michael has also explained (warned) the whip lash in her neck as the results of his aggressive attempts to revive her when she collapsed. A Doctor looked at the bone scan and said this looks like a person that has suffered from repeated severe trauma. Another doctor said, "This person looks like she was hit by a Mack truck". .Just something else Judge Greer didn't consider, in his professional discretion. Does anyone, UNDERSTAND NOW..WHY THE SCHINDLERS SPENT 15 YEARS FIGHTING TO GET TERRI BACK? Just because they refused to let her go out of their selfish needs? No way.

If anyone believes that...I have a bridge I can sell you for a very cheap price.

Cat Lovers....After Michael hooked up with his new babe, he had Terri's two rescued beloved cats put to death at the vet, simple reason? Inconvenience. Says it all. Nope, they weren't terminal or PVS either. They were perfectly healthy.

Cremation with no lock of hair to her own family??.Cremation was an insult for Terri. That poor girl. How bad I feel, word just don't articulate it well enough. Wow, I did my best to stop it but still feel like I have her blood on my hands. His blatant bully mentality and abuse continues today and we still have people buying his story, hook line and stinker.


Michael is gearing up for his book tour, movie and speaking circuit, on how he believes in the "dignity to die". There will be plenty of people stupid enough to hear him tell his story.
Plenty. There will also be plenty of people around setting him straight with his story.


BEEP!! BEEP!!

CBS is rushing a Terri Schiavo TV movie into production so that it can air the biopic during the May ratings sweeps.

There is no word on whether the network has secured the cooperation of either the Schindler family, Terri's parents and siblings, or Michael Schiavo, her estranged husband.

There are reports Michael Schiavo is entertaining offers of book, movie and TV deals for Terri's story. Industry sources say Schiavo is likely to be offered up to $2 million for a book deal and up to $2 million for a movie or TV deal.
Keri Russell

Dean Cain

CBS' Terri story reportedly will feature "Felicity" star Keri Russell to star as America’s tragic heroine and Dean Cain of "Lois and Clark" as the husband who relentlessly seeks an end to her life.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43617

Posted by Booster at April 2, 2005 6:37 PM

Opps, Allow me to clairfy..My edit to ADD..

Michael is gearing up for his book tour, movie and speaking circuit, on how he believes in the "dignity to die". There will be plenty of people stupid enough to hear "AND PAY" him tell his story. Plenty. There will also be plenty of people around setting him straight with his story.


I promise you Terri Schindler, you did not die in Vain. This American will make sure you didn't. Rest in Peace~!

Posted by Booster at April 2, 2005 6:45 PM

It is much worse than I thought. This is blatant disregard to Florida State Law!!!!!
The Schindlers had a right...to have their own doctor there as well as the autospy filmed. Especially after her broken bones...I cannot believe me eyes. I hope this report is false. If this is true. The DOJ needs to go down there on Monday and close that county down. Look at that POWERHOUSE pushing that family around. This is NOT AMERICA.

TAMPA, Fla. Apr 2, 2005 — Terri Schiavo's body was cremated Saturday as disagreements continued between her husband and her parents, >who were unable to have their own independent expert observe her autopsy.

Posted by Booster at April 2, 2005 8:11 PM

The cremation was carried out according to a court order issued Tuesday establishing that Michael Schiavo had the right to make such decisions, said his lawyer, George Felos. He said plans for burying her ashes in Pennsylvania, where she grew up, had not yet been completed

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=635891

This is CRIMINAL ..AGAIN~!!!!!

Posted by Booster at April 2, 2005 8:13 PM

See below Florida State statute to drawn your own conclusions since Michael Schivao cremated Terri Schindler's body yesterday. If you need any help, the Pinellos County Medical Exaimner didn't find any signs of foul play, atleast according to the conditions of the law. If he did he wouldn't release her body as quickly as he did. That was quick, wasn't it. We have a OJ#2 in Florida state. That is my say on it and I am sticking with it. I knew this was going to happen. The findings on her brain will come later. But what is the point. The poor woman is gone. We don't care what the condition of her brain is, now. It is Moot~! What's Fellos going to do if they find she was not VJS, bring her back to earth with his mind. Just trust me, don't take your kids to Disney Land in Florida. Sad..sad...sad.

Cremation approval

(Florida Statutes 406.11(1)(c))

A. All requests for cremation, burial at sea, or donations must be approved by the Medical Examiner prior to the actual cremation.

1. Before authorizing the irretrievable disposal of a body by cremation, the Medical Examiner must be assured that no future question will arise about the cause or circumstances of the death of the individual.
2. The death, if previously unreported to the Medical Examiner, must first be verified as a non-Medical Examiner case according to Florida Statutes, 406.11.

B. Approval of a cremation, and accepting the responsibility for irretrievably destroying potential evidence, is a decision based on the quality of the information on the death certificate. The death certificate should be accompanied by a CREMATION APPROVAL FORM filled out by the attending physician to demonstrate that the death was due to natural causes. The cause of death on the death certificate must be sufficient to:

1. rule out trauma,
2. identify the immediate cause(s) of death, i.e. septicemia, peritonitis, bronchopneumonia, renal failure, etc., and
3. identify the underlying or proximate cause of death - the "due to" disease or injury responsible for initiating the lethal sequence of events.

C. The most common pitfalls this office encounters with causes of death are:

1. failure to state the underlying cause of death;
2. scrambling of immediate and underlying causes of death; and
3. listing extraneous data in the section entitled 'Other Significant Conditions'. The section 'Other Significant Conditions' (Part II) should be used only for those conditions that contribute to death, but are unrelated to the cause(s) listed in Part I.

D. The CREMATION APPROVAL FORM is often helpful in clarifying the cause of death as well as providing additional medical history that assures that the death was not by violence.
Words like subdural, fracture, sepsis, fall, trauma, cardiac arrest, heart failure, hemiplegia, quadriplegia, paraplegia, and shock typically do not explain a natural death and often indicate a traumatic origin. It is necessary to rule out traumatic underlying causes or identify the natural disease processes,


(Florida Statutes 406.11(1)(c))
B. Approval of a cremation, and accepting the responsibility for irretrievably destroying potential evidence, is a decision based on the quality of the information on the death certificate. The death certificate should be accompanied by a CREMATION APPROVAL FORM filled out by the attending physician to demonstrate that the death was due to natural causes. The cause of death on the death certificate must be sufficient to:

1. rule out trauma,
2. identify the immediate cause(s) of death, i.e. septicemia, peritonitis, bronchopneumonia, renal failure, etc., and
3. identify the underlying or proximate cause of death - the "due to" disease or injury responsible for initiating the lethal sequence of events.


Posted by Booster at April 3, 2005 5:13 AM

Terri's bone scan recovered by her blood family three years ago.

http://www.earnedmedia.org/bone.jpg

Posted by Booster at April 3, 2005 5:28 AM

Re Scan . What a fucking bastard ( excuse my temper) This is the time that gun should be legal for the exermination of any one that were involved in her death, Machine gun would be the type needed for an accurate and fast elimination of Human Trash ,as Her Husband,the Lawyer,the judge ,and other involved ,I feel so much pity for Her parents and relative ,A note to these peoples who making fun of the so call religious fanatic,Well i mwas brought up a Catholic ,But i no longer beleive in any religion, so count me out as a fanatic,I am just plainly disgusted , And if any one does`nt see any thing wrong whit that bone scan,Then someone should go and open their fucking eyes,Terri was not the one that was Brain Dead,But as i see it ,i would say that the one involved ,were the brain dead ones.Gabriel Simard

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 3, 2005 8:16 AM

There will be no findings of foul play or anything else because everyone involved is connected in one way or another to Felo, at least that's the way it appears to most people. I hope there is an attorney out there who has taken notice of this case and will help the parents to keep fighting until it's blown completely out of the water. But for them to come clean with the autopsy and admit there were discrepancies, would mean jobs on line, and it's just not going to happen. We never were going to get a fair shake on it.

And what trips me out the most is... how there are some that actually try to make ol' Mikey out to be the "good guy" the "victim"... or that he's done some great deed by agreeing to an autopsy. Well DUH...he only agreed to what HAD TO BE DONE in order to have her cremated.

Wonder how long it took ol' Mikey to read up on what to use for the excuse for her having the attack that put her there to begin with that awful night in 1990... then what did he study to give him the ideas on how to make her want to die... like keeping her room dark, no visitors, no rehabilitation, no going out into the daylight and fresh air... heck.. most of us on a good day without any of that might consider dying an option.

But bless Terri's heart... she kept on wanting to live despite all of Mikey's attempts to make her NOT want to. She held on until the last of any hope to change things finally came.

I just hate she had to die supposedly with him craddling her. How hypocritcal could that have been for him and excruciating for her? For argument's sake, let's say she wasn't in her body feeling it, but up above having to watch it??? Probably the only time a saint wanted to hurl!

I don't care if Terri did tell Mikey that she didn't want to live like that, (which I don't believe she did), I can guarantee you, she would never have wanted her parents put through 15 years of pure hell that he's put them through. Anyone who doesn't believe that he has done all he's done just to spite them has to be blind. It scares me to think that my daughter might one day marry someone who can make or break her life.

Mikey should be thankful I wasn't Terri's mother. He'd still be searching for his head.

Maybe, just maybe one day we'll all have some truthful answers. One thing is for certain... Mikey and Felos and their guroos can't fool God.

Posted by Tristalynne at April 3, 2005 1:23 PM

such is the way life is for people who follow after demons and devils and call them "god". His enlightenment is in reality entombment. He enjoys death, he thrives off of it, gaining an almost orgasmic burst of "spiritual blessing" when someone dies that is associated with him.
The proof is in the fact of his passions..he desires death for those around him, he feeds on it. The man is possessed, and that is the nicest term to use.

Posted by sam at April 3, 2005 3:43 PM

O.K. folks, let's do something about that Ghoul Greer. There is a petition oline to impeach that bastard:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?ijg520

Just type in there your name, e-mail, comment and zip code. I saw there zip codes from all areas of the USA. If you are in Canada, type in your zip code. The comment can be quite long, take a look at comments of previous petitioners.
Last time I checked, more than 37,000 people have signed.
Let's go to get rid of the bum!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 3, 2005 6:12 PM

Posted by: Tristalynne at April 3, 2005 01:23 PM


>>I don't care if Terri did tell Mikey that she didn't want to live like that, (which I don't believe she did).

You are right, she didn't. What she said was, "When there is life, there is hope". But by Florida Statute he was her husband and he had the right to say she would not want to live this way. Legally. It doesn't even matter what her wishes were in the eyes of Florida State. That is what everybody has been missing, including me. So, in the eyes of the Court, they can do nothing to Greer, he did nothing wrong in his zeal to dehydrate her to death.

I would like to clip off that whole state off of my paper map with a pair of scissors and crumpled it up and throw it south to the sea.

Tallahassee had every opportunity to change the law and they refused to DO IT because Congress and President Bush asked them to. It was defiance by these elected officials. The Schindler's worse nightmare was moving to Florida State.

I also found out yesterday that not only does OJ#2 work at Pinellos County Jail. His future Mother in law does and has for 20 years.

This is a Rosemary's Baby movie. I am calling DOJ tomorrow morning. I did some digging and there is no excuse that this happened. They knew this was going down in 2003. Suncoast has been under investigation for a decade. They are the largest Hospice in Florida. They are a mockery to Hospice's around the country. I better not get an answering machine like I did when I tried to call Governor Bush for the past three weeks. I may suffer from a stroke.


If Terri had been my daughter, I would have made them kill me first, before they killed my daughter that way.

Posted by Booster at April 3, 2005 6:57 PM

Posted by: Gabriel Simard at April 3, 2005 08:16 AM

Be careful. You can't wish harm to a Justice in America, in such a way, it is against the law. This just happens to be one law the powers to be take very seriously and will prosecute on. You do have freedom of speech to call him names with the risks of being sued for slander, but not the freedom to wish what you wished on him. We have to depend on our Courts and Lawmakers to remove him from his bench. Just friendly advice.

I am truly embarrassed for America. Florida State law is henious.

Posted by Booster at April 3, 2005 7:09 PM

Posted by: sam at April 3, 2005 03:43 PM

>>The proof is in the fact of his passions..he desires death for those around him, he feeds on it. The man is possessed, and that is the nicest term to use.

I agree. At the risk of sounding like a fruit cake, I wouldn't be surprised if he was here on earth at the order of Satan. Seriously. Such power this evil man has. It is frightening to me.
We would run that man out of our town and bar him from practicing law. Every insane word that comes out of his mouth is a blatant lie. He is a pathological liar. I have NOT heard him speak one truth, not once!

Posted by Booster at April 3, 2005 7:48 PM

Posted by: I. Caganek at April 3, 2005 06:12 PM

I signed that three weeks ago. I was told last night that you have to be a Florida State but I am not sure that is even important. What is important is to show the outrage around the country. Florida State Officials resemble "The Stepford State". It is eery.

Posted by Booster at April 3, 2005 8:04 PM

It is a tragedy that Terri Schiavo died, regardless of the circumstances. The manner of someone's death may be more or less tragic, but, like "Collateral Damage" deaths of civilians Vs military casualties, the dead person is just as dead, and the world and their family are denied their comfort and presence. WE know that Terri is missed by her family and friends. Let's leave it at that.

But it's even more disturbing that a multitude of people have chosen to make this death something else even more tragic, if that's possible. I said a multitude, not a majority. But that's OK, because a democracy is not based upon Majority Rule, but upon maintaining the individual rights of its citizenry. The Constitution of the United States does NOT impose Majority Rule upon us, but the Bill of Rights preserves our individual liberties. It IS the responsibility of the Courts to preserve those rights, and of the Legislative and Executive branches to not trample on them.

We are rapidly heading toward becoming a country Ruled By Mob through the Venue of Public Opinion. If an elected or appointed official makes a decision that "The Mob" doesn't like, they pounce on him, or her, like rabid dogs.

A Judge in The State of Florida makes a decision disliked by a resident of Tennessee, so an International Petition is circulated to "Remove" him. Threats are made against his life and that of his family. "Mob Rule"? Just short of a lynching, or maybe including one depending on who gets hold of the judge.

I don't want the Federal Government intervening in my State, Pennsylvania, unless it's to protect my rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

I don't want residents of other states interfering in my State, Pennsylvania. If the US Government has no place in the daily workings here, somebody from Florida certainly doesn't.

Heck, I don't even want the State of Pennsylvania interfering in my life, but I do prefer it over "Mob Rule", which appears to be the only other alternative.

Florida is Florida. If you don't like what they do there, move away, or don't go there in the first place. Personally, I dislike big bugs and hurricanes, so it's never been a consideration of mine. I've been there, been pinched by one of those notorious Florida Local-Yokel Speed Traps, paid my fine and learned my lesson. I didn't contact my Pennsylvania Congressman, call Jeb Bush, or appeal to Randall Terry.

Yes, I know that a traffic ticket should not be equated with the death of Terri Schiavo, and I in no way mean to trivialize her death.

But her life and death did make me consider not just whether I want to be maintained artificially as long as possible, but also who I want making decisions for me in that situation.

A "Living Will" is a good start, but as in all documents, they are still subject to interpretation. I want my spouse to call the shots, REGARDLESS of what Public Opinion may be about her, or me.

I also don't want the Government or "The Mob" taking steps to curtail the liberties that I believe in.

I have no illusions that I will ever be important enough for my death to be a matter of Public Concern, but in 1990 I'm sure that Terri Schiavo didn't either.

Let her Rest in Peace. Let the family grieve. Let everyone move on. Find something worthwhile to do, not just write about.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell at April 4, 2005 12:31 PM

The above post is a typical liberal Democrat opinion from Pennsylvania, a left-wing state. I have lived there, so I know what this is.
The bottom line in Terri's case is:

Her civil rights, supposedly guaranteed by the constitution, were denied. She did not want to die, our legal system killed her. Greer could had been a christian and conservative some time ago, but now is a nut, deranged.

Our legal system is a monster, arrogant and unresponsive to the people it is to protect.
So, let's ignore the advice from PA gentlemen and let's impeach Ghoul Greer. Let's not allow Greer to hide in peace, let's do something worthwhile by impeaching the ghoul.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 4, 2005 2:03 PM

Forgot the important thing. Democrats wanted Terri dead. They thought the public opinion, as per the infamous ABC poll was with them - "Die Terri, Die!"

Now we know the truth from the new Zogby poll. About 80 percent of Americans would have wanted Terri to live. So, what do Democrats do now?
They want to MOVE ON! Forget all about it. She is dead anyhow, so what's the point writing about her?

As to the expertise and judgment of Judge Greer. Here is and excerpt from his ruling of March 26, where he evaluates Terri's ability to express her wish, to communicate with others:

>>> However, all of the credible medical evidence this Court has received over the last five years is that this is not a cognitive response but rather something akin to a person jerking his/her hand off a hot stove long before he/she has thought about it."

Based on this conclusion, he finally condemned Terri to death. Isn't this a stupid reasoning? Is this judge normal? I think he is a nut. I do not see any reason to "move on", but rather moving this idiot to retirement in the Woodside Hospice.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 4, 2005 6:42 PM

At least a dozen books will come out of this, not to mention the Made-For-TV Miniseries and movies.

Ten books will be written by Schindler Family Supporters and sold online and in Christian Bookstores (maybe even Jewish Bookstores) with the proceeds to go to various Terri Schindler-Schiavo "Foundations" and "Memorials". They will be gobbled up by people who want the version of the "truth" they believe to be sanctified. Somebody will take a composite of these books and make a movie that will be distributed through secular screenings and home video.

The "Made-for-TV-Miniseries" will include lots of worthless information and insignificant people and will never challenge the real issues. It will be made to sell sponsors' advertising. Don't look for any truth there.

One book will be ghostwritten for Michael, not very well done, and will sell poorly because it will not be sensationally promoted. You'll be able to pick it up in discount bookstores cheap, because the "Religious Right" will boycott and picket Borders and Barnes and Noble and any other mainstream outlet that tries to distribute it.

And one book will be well done by a team of dedicated journalists that will portray the many sides of this issue and the interests represented by those sides. It will be a book about how an Average American Girl became the 21st Century's first candidate for Canonization, and how her "cause" united diverse groups into a temporary alliance that added to the erosion of trust in the values of this Nation. It could be the 21st Century's first "All the King's Men".

And Terri will look down and weep.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 4, 2005 7:02 PM

It's interesting how Democrats are painted as demons, without values, and Liberals are scum, without souls, when the issues that many of them support show just the opposite.

What was Terri Schiavo? Was she a Republican? Was she Conservative? Did she picket against abortion rights? Did she attend the right church regularly? Did she vote for the right candidates? I don't know.

We know that she loved animals. We know that she loved people. We know that she was well-liked by her friends and co-workers. We know that she was loved by her family. Was she a Democrat? A Liberal? Maybe. I don't know. I guess I'd like to think so, since those are values that I admire.

But Labels don't matter. People do. To use them derisively muddies the waters of understanding and creates chasms between people, instead of the bridges that we need.

I think Terri would have rather been a bridge-builder.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 4, 2005 7:18 PM

"I don't want the Federal Government intervening in my State, Pennsylvania, unless it's to protect my rights as guaranteed by the Constitution."

Bruce,

You are late for your doctor's appointment. Either eyes, shrink, or neurologist.
You are also in dire need of a second or subsequent visit of our founding fathers words. They do not exempt handicapped much less brain damaged woman. You apparently do. Stay the F~ away from me~!

I can assure you Terri would weep if she looked down at you. Don't worry, she will miss it, she is busy doing other greater things. Her murder made the Earth skip a spin!~!

Posted by Booster at April 4, 2005 8:14 PM

"I also don't want the Government or "The Mob" taking steps to curtail the liberties that I believe in.

I have no illusions that I will ever be important enough for my death to be a matter of Public Concern, but in 1990 I'm sure that Terri Schiavo didn't either. Let her Rest in Peace. Let the family grieve. Let everyone move on. Find something worthwhile to do, not just write about."

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell at April 4, 2005 12:31 PM


Bruce,

Couldn't help notice the "ME" in your post. You better hope you never end up at the mercy of your estranged spouse. Atleast you learned one thing about Terri's murder. Living will, good for you. Also make sure you have a power of attorney and consider to give it a week or two if you are involved in a car accident, and arrive at the ER in coma. You may just wake up.

The next time some creep or criminal deprives you of your Pursuit of Happiness and interferes or jeopardizes your Constitutional Rights, and right to your live, such as a robber, a cold bloodied killer or a car jacker, an estranged spouse, by all means, just stand/lay there, and let them do it. They have that right, don't they Bruce? That's exactly what your message is.

Go smoke your weed. Me..Me..Me..it is all about Bruce.

Posted by Booster at April 4, 2005 8:43 PM

"added to the erosion of trust in the values of this Nation."

Bruce,

Holy Smoke, you are posting from an underground bunker hidden and safely tucked in the woods. You don't have a clue to what "Trust" means. If "Values" jumped up and bit you on your fanny, you wouldn't notice. You do not have a smidgeon of knowledge or understanding of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. They exclude nobody. I tell you what would make you weep, is reading the Court Records of Terri's trial and looking at that Justice that was served to her to the bitter end. You would likely croak if you indeed had values and trust as you so cherish. But it is not you that did that dying, is it Bruce, why take a look and read the Court Records. I know ....I know what you resemble. You are not the cure, you are the selfish pound.

Posted by Booster at April 4, 2005 9:11 PM

DemocRats wanted Terri dead. They thought the public opinion, as per the infamous ABC poll, disseminated by "MSM journalists" was with them. “Die Terri, Die!” was the DemocRat-commie-pinko-ACLU-NOW pack's battle cry. Large portion of this pack live in Pennsylvania.

Now we know the truth from the new Zogby poll. Overwhelming majority of Americans would have wanted Terri to live. So, what do Democrats do now?
They want to MOVE ON! Forget all about it. She is dead anyhow, so what’s the point writing about her? DemocRats are now trying all kind of arguments to justify their approval of judicial homicide, as seen in that PA man's posts.

As to the expertise and judgment of Judge Greer. Here is and excerpt from his ruling of March 26, where he evaluates Terri’s ability to express her wish, to communicate with others:

>>> “However, all of the credible medical evidence this Court has received over the last five years is that this is not a cognitive response but rather something akin to a person jerking his/her hand off a hot stove long before he/she has thought about it.”

Posted by I. Caganek at April 5, 2005 6:22 AM

... continuation of my above post:

Based on the above conclusion, Greer finally condemned Terri to death. Isn’t this a stupid reasoning? Is this judge normal? I think he is a nut. I do not see any reason to “move on”, but rather moving this idiot to retirement in the Woodside Hospice.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 5, 2005 6:26 AM

I don't have an estranged spouse. I am married to a wonderful woman. Terri also did not have an 'estranged" spouse; she and Michael were actively married at the time of her collapse.

Yes, I know, Terri had talked to her sister about a divorce at some point, and coworkers remember her being unhappy. It's funny about that 7th year of marriage. I know; my first marriage broke up in its 7th year, also at the age of 26. I've been remarried for 24 years, and it's never a piece of cake. Getting married is the easy part; staying married is the tough part.

Terri and Michael choose each other. Until either one of them ended that relationship by legal means, or took actions inconsistent with the best interest of the other, that husband-wife bond should remain.

I LOVE to read and hear Religious Conservatives rail against challenges to the sanctity of marriage, yet on this one they all seem to believe that SOMEBODY should have overturned the marriage and forced a divorce on Terri and Michael. Why is that?

I don't live in a bunker, I don't use illegal substances, drink or smoke. I have a wife, two children and two grandchildren that I love deeply. I worry about their future. I would hate for my daughter to be in Terri's position, or my son to be in Michael's position.

My daughter IS divorced, from a real bastard in her eyes, and I have pondered lately, what would I have done if I had been Mr. Schindler? I hope I never find out.

Because I refuse to see Michael Schiavo as a demon, and the Schindlers as victims, I am vilified by people who get "information" from blogsites and "friendly" news agencies who substitute conjecture for fact and opinion for truth.

They have all become victims in this masquerade. Jesse Jackson, Randall Terry, Father Shavone, "Spiritual Advisors", George Felos have all worn the masks of concern for Terri when in fact they were pumping up their own images at her expense.

So, I've used "I" a lot in this, so I guess that makes this posting all about me-me-me. But I hope that someone who reads this understands a little better that not all of us who disagree that 'Terri was murdered by her unfaithful ex-husband so he could take all of her money, escape prosecution for abuse and murder, and marry the mother of his bastard children" are illiterate wackos.

Passing thoughts here. Has anyone researched what Bulimia is, how and when it manifests itself, and what it's causes may be? Terri didn't "develop" Bulimia just before she died. It's part of an overall eating disorder pattern that usually starts in early to mid teens. How DID Terri lose 60 lb. in her Senior Year of high school, and why? Her mother has admitted to taking her to her doctor on several occasions to discuss her weight situation. If her eating disorder developed while she lived at home with her parents, and they did nothing to diagnose or treat it, and if in fact it was caused by family stress and/or abuse, are her parents culpable in her death?

I don't think so, but it's got more hard evidence in it that most of the conjectures about Michael's involvement in her "Murder".

By the way, Bruce Whitesell is my real name. If I'm going to write something, I'm not ashamed to have it attributed to me. I need some new stuff in my FBI files anyway.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell at April 5, 2005 8:38 AM

"DemocRats wanted Terri dead. They thought the public opinion, as per the infamous ABC poll, disseminated by "MSM journalists" was with them. “Die Terri, Die!” was the DemocRat-commie-pinko-ACLU-NOW pack's battle cry. Large portion of this pack live in Pennsylvania."

Yes, actually we PA Democrats have an enclave here in eastern Pennsylvania, consisting of 7 counties with a population of 400,000 that we control both politically and fiscally. We have a balanced budget, very low taxes, universal health care, a local currency that outperforms the Euro, a small well-equipped National Guard Unit that is prohibited from leaving our district unless Congress declares war, legal abortion but an abortion rate of zero because we encourage abstinence but recognize the real world's problems, offer no foreign aid as a political unit, but provide tax incentives to individuals who do contribute so our individual contribution rate is about 4% of GFPI (Gross Free Pennsylvania Income), and we all go to the polls and vote on Election weekend and fill out our numbered paper ballots with receipt that are tabulated by the League of Women Voters with results prominently displayed.

No, you can't move here. We already have a waiting list of 237,000,000, and that's only for qualifying US Citizens.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell at April 5, 2005 9:54 AM

Bruce,

Okay, just for one, I don't get my news from any reporter, I know better. I read the actual court records, I read the pleadings. I researched the Expert death advocates agenda and what they stand for. I watched Terri's video's and especially cried when I watched her react to the bad taste of the vinegar swab. She reacted just like you would if somebody stuck vinegar in your mouth. Dr. Cranford examined Terri on one occasion, for approximately 45 minutes Dr. Cranford ( I heard him say 45 mins, on TV) struck Terri very hard on the forehead between her eyes. Terri recoiled and moaned, seemingly in pain. In his court testimony, Cranford dismissed the reaction and moan as a “reflex.”

Posted by Booster at April 5, 2005 10:21 AM

Continue...got cut off for some reason.

That man needs a straight jacket. Dr. Ronald Cranford is one of the most outspoken advocates of the “right to die” movement and of physician-assisted suicide in the U.S. today. Judge Greer labeled Terri PVS after his say so and his ghouls that agreed with him. Her LOVING HUSBAND, let them.
If you think her responses were "just a reflex" and not "pain"....that is nuts. This is what Judge Greer did..he ruled on these guys words.

I just cannot let it go, I can't. Her husband didn't love her much less respect her or her family. When she collapsed she had a severe case of PID. I don't want to discuss how you get that, but if you are a woman, you wouldn't get it if your husband was faithful to you. MS said on the record his wife was not bulimic. he spent a lot of time repeating over and over as he was being questioned by the Schindler attorney, . All that testimony, "I don't recall", "I don't remember", "state the question again, I didn't hear you" "I don't know the dates". "I am bad at remembering details" blah, " I didn't hear you" over and over again was a distraction tactic.

I do wonder what you would have done if you were in Mr. Schindlers shoes. Especially if your daughters husband did that to her, stopped her therapy and treatment after he received a 1 million dollar law suit. Barred you from seeing her. Abused her with broken bones all over her body that he doesn't know how they got there. Then when he manages to have her put to death, he kicks you out of her room as she lays suffering and dying. Then, he goes as far as denying you a lock of her hair. Then he cremates her, the same day he gets her back from the medicals examiner and fly's her ashes off to another state, unknown location to you. You are forced to have a memorial without her ashes or body there.

Yea, Your daughters husband really loved her. He loved her so much. That's real love Bruce

Posted by Booster at April 5, 2005 10:23 AM

Get a load of this Bruce...That is a pathetic man.
He was Terri Schindlers worse nightmare, and it should be yours. That man is America's worse nightmare.


In published articles, including a 1997 op-ed in the Minneapolis–St. Paul Star Tribune, he has advocated the starvation of Alzheimer’s patients. He has described PVS patients as indistinguishable from other forms of animal life. *He has said that PVS patients and others with brain impairment lack personhood and should have no constitutional rights." Perusing the case literature and articles surrounding the “right to die” and PVS, one will see Dr. Cranford’s name surface again and again. In almost every case, he is the one claiming PVS, and advocating the cessation of nutrition and hydration.

In the cases of Paul Brophy, Nancy Jobes, Nancy Cruzan, and Christine Busalucci, Cranford was the doctor behind the efforts to end their lives. Each of these people was brain-damaged but not dying; nonetheless, he advocated death for all, by dehydration and starvation. Nancy Cruzan did not even require a feeding tube: She could be spoon-fed. But Cranford advocated denying even that, saying that even spoon-feeding constituted “medical treatment” that could be licitly withdrawn.

In cases where other doctors don’t see it, Dr. Cranford seems to have a knack for finding PVS. Cranford also diagnosed Robert Wendland as PVS. He did so in spite of the fact that Wendland could pick up specifically colored pegs or blocks and hand them to a therapy assistant on request. He did so in spite of the fact that Wendland could operate and maneuver an ordinary wheelchair with his left hand and foot, and an electric wheelchair with a joystick, of the kind that many disabled persons (most famously Dr. Stephen Hawking) use. Dr. Cranford dismissed these abilities as meaningless. Fortunately for Wendland, the California supreme court was not persuaded by Cranford’s assessment.

Expert witnesses in court are supposed to be unbiased: disinterested in the outcome of the case. Part of the procedure in qualifying expert witnesses is establishing that they are objective and unbiased. But given Dr. Cranford’s history of advocacy in the “right to die” and euthanasia movements, and given his track record of almost always coming down on the side of PVS and removal of nutrition and hydration, one might question his objectivity. Indeed, the Schindlers’ attorneys attempted to do so in the 2002 evidentiary hearing at which Cranford testified, but went unheard. International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide submitted amicus curiae (friend of the court) briefs in the appellate proceedings in Terri’s case, demonstrating Cranford’s bias in detail. But these arguments also seemed to fall on deaf ears.

Some neurologists who also consult in legal cases were not surprised at the handling of Dr. Cranford’s expert testimony. In theory, they said, the expert witness is supposed to be objective, but, as Dr. Bell explained, “the way it really works is that an attorney carefully selects an expert that will give him the outcome he desires.” He related that he has been asked by attorneys to serve as an expert. “I have looked over medical records,” he said, “and told attorneys what I thought.” But on occasion, he said, his opinion was “obviously not what they wanted to hear” and “they moved on to another expert.” Bell acknowledged that Cranford is “a highly accomplished and experienced speaker,” but said that in him the court “likely found a highly prejudiced expert.”

Neurologists who are familiar with diagnosing and treating PVS and other brain injuries know that PVS is a notoriously difficult diagnosis to make. It requires a great deal of time spent with the patient over several days or weeks. The reason for this, as Dr. Bell explained, is that brain-injured patients have severely disrupted sleep/wake cycles. Dr. Mack Jones, a neurologist in Ft. Walton Beach, Fla., added that patients with severe brain injury will have greatly varying levels of alertness: “Two independent examiners may get an entirely different impression depending on when and how long he/she has spent performing the examination. For example, one examiner may unknowingly attempt to evaluate the patient during a stage of sleep. Another examiner, by chance, may find a more responsive patient simply because [the patient is] now more aroused.” Dr. Morin concurred, saying that in his experience “the attention of brain-injured patients is very erratic,” and that because of this he has “seen inadequate assessments even by experienced neurologists.” Because of these difficulties, the American Academy of Neurology has made it clear that it can take months for a physician to establish with confidence the diagnosis of PVS. NOTE: A 1996 British Medical Journal study, conducted at England’s Royal Hospital for Neurodisability, concluded that there was a "43-percent error rate in the diagnosis of PVS". Inadequate time spent by specialists evaluating patients was listed as a contributing factor for the high incidence of errors.


Lost the link..sorry.

Posted by Booster at April 5, 2005 10:36 AM

I am so pissed off at OUR POLITICIANS! They are all OUT OF ORDER~!

Posted by Booster at April 5, 2005 10:45 AM

Booster.. The best thing to do with That Bruce Whitsold, is to completly ignore him,He has his tiny brain working,and not making any sense at all ,So dont even bother to read his posting

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 5, 2005 11:17 AM

Yes, it would be best to ignore Bruce, he is hopeless. Except that I have to LAUGH OUT LOUD when he talks about his beloved eastern Pennsylvania, a DemocRat-commie-pinko-fag-NOW state. Also, the waiting list of millions of people who would like to move to PA.
All CRAP!
I know of no one (of sound mind or even a nut) who would want to move there. It is a really high tax area, they have state and county income taxes and even some local income tax. They tax you to death! Add property taxes on top of that. How do I know that?
I used to be one of them. I just could not put up with that nonsense. I used to live in eastern PA, in Horsham (near where the Schindlers lived), in Morgantown and West Chester. Pennsylvania is for losers. Most of them are. That is the reason they are there. The better ones have moved down south, a long time ago.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 5, 2005 11:42 AM

It appears that I have a knack to p*** people off here. I've found ALL of the postings here of interest, and I've learned some things from them, about Terri Schindler, and about the people who tend to gravitate to these websites.

Booster's given me some interesting stuff to research; she has obviously spent a lot of time and energy keeping informed on the situation. I appreciate people with a passion for truth. I'm especially interested in the PID matter; I haven't heard that before. My wife and I agree on most of the Terri Schiavo case, but she hasn't researched it as much as Booster has, so I appreciate another woman's perspective. It seems passionately venomous but it's well presented.

I'm not infallible; I do the best that I can. And I haven't closed my mind on this. That's why I'm here. I could just as easily participate in a forum where everyone agrees with me, but then I wouldn't learn anything. I don't need validation of my opinions; I need "stuff" I don't know and ideas I haven't heard if I'm going to learn anything.

But information is only as good as it's source, and, frankly, I've seen so much "opinion garbage" floating around as "truth" and "fact" that I wonder why the internet doesn't stink from it!

"Opinion" can be as important as "fact" and "truth", because it reveals how people feel about what they know, or don't know. I have a pretty good idea how everybody here feels about Michael Schiavo, and Pennsylvania, too.

I believe that I. Caganek hates Pennsylvania, the North, and even Florida, the state that he choose to move from Pennsylvania to. I'm not sure if he moved there to die, as he says most people who move to Florida do, or if family or job took him there. Or just a hunt for year 'round greener pastures. I don't think that he likes DemocRat-commie-pinko-fag-NOW people much either.

I believe that Gabriel Simard, citizen of Canada and resident of New Brunswick, is afraid that he too will be 'put down" when his time comes. I understand that; at 80+, your perspective of quality-of-life isn't theoretical, it's based upon experience. As long as you express yourself to others who know you and love you about your wishes and fears as you have here, you have little to fear. If you like, I'll even keep your postings here in case, but put it in writing anyway, if you haven't already. As a sidethought; if I were to retire tomorrow, I would choose Maine, New Brunswick or Nova Scotia. Beautiful country, self-reliant people. Florida would be my LAST choice.

As for Pennsylvania-Camelot-DemocRat-commie-pinko-fag-NOW state, of course what I wrote wasn't true. But, neither are other references to Pennsylvania in the previous postings. At least, not most of it. Because I said it doesn't make it true. We have snow, cold, higher taxes, and New Jersey Drivers who are infiltrating our area. We also have a good medical system, good public schools, hardworking people, and we usually only get rain from hurricanes once every few years. We have the second-highest percentage of people aged 65 and older in the country, behind Florida, so we're used to taking care of our "oldsters".

So, if you choose to ignore my posts, that is your right. I'll just "look in" once in awhile.


Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 6, 2005 8:08 AM

very,very sorry Bruce,and you have made an excellent explanation on regard to your belief,I did not mean to be judging you ,I have to agree with some part of your statement ,and again i did not intend to make fun of you ,As you seem to be well educated,It is just that i am so mad at the way they had treated this poor woman who could not help herself,its pityfull. I will try to be more compasionate toward you ,as you have as much right to your posting as i have ,or anyone else, sometime my action does override my brain,Please take my apology.G Simard

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 6, 2005 8:28 AM

No offense taken, Gabriel. We're just so used to poking sticks at each other "down here" that we fail to try to understand other points of view. We're longer on Education and Opinion than we are on Undertstanding. Unfortunately, the Mass Media doesn't do much to help us there. That's one of the reasons I went looking for a blogsite where I could try, because I've thrown too many sticks myself. This may not have been the best place for me to start, but I had to start somewhere. You can't be part of the solution if you're part of the problem.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 6, 2005 9:50 AM

Very true Bruce,And thank you .G.S

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 6, 2005 10:34 AM

Just watched Father Palomo (the Schindler family catholic priest) on O’Reilly’s Factor evening TV show. The Father said he was with Terri up to 10 minutes before her death. He says she didn’t die a peaceful death as Democrats and mainstream media would want us to believe. The Father said he held her hands while she was shaking; it was grueling, horrible death. I believe the Father.

This is my roundup of Terri’s judicial homicide, in a nutshell: Now we know that 79% of Americans wanted her to live, only 9% wanted her dead. Democrats have problem. A stupid judge, Greer, had condemned Terri to death with his idiotic “hand on hot stove” analogy. All the rest of courts and judges had given Greer a free hand, discretion to make unsupported judgment. None of those judges and courts looked for truth, they all just passed the buck, back to that idiot Greer. This looks to me like a corrupt judicial system, an out of control monster, in urgent need of fixing. I am afraid that any shyster from now on will use that idiot Greer’s ruling as a precedent in similar cases.

Now we wait for the autopsy. In FL, autopsies are not mandatory if a body is to be cremated. What is required here is that the Medical Examiner be notified of intent to cremate. The examiner then decides if to perform autopsy or not. Mostly not, unless there is some controversy, or when a kin requests it.

I saw a N.Y. forensic pathologist (M.D.) on TV to discuss autopsies. That is what he does. During autopsy, they do x-rays and remove some internal organs, typically entire brain, part of kidney, liver, etc. He says that the actual autopsy takes 1 day, after that the body is returned to the kin. The brain has consistency of a jelly, so it is placed in a formaldehyde solution for at least 2 weeks, to harden. Then, they cut thin slices of brain and place it under microscope. The light shining through from underneath allows them to see “neurons” and whatever else in the microscope. At the end, they write report.

The problem I see in this case is that the examiner is an acquaintance and most likely friendly with ghouls Greer and Felos. Since he surely realizes that his final report could bring down Greer, I doubt it will be honest, accurate report. I expect the examiner will issue a non-conclusive, wishy-washy report to protect his buttocks and to keep his job.
We will have to wait 2 more weeks. But, we need to watch these crooks like hawks. Keep the focus.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 6, 2005 6:41 PM

Hey Fellas,

My apologies to all I have offended. I have been venomous, I am so sorry. Just so caught up in the disgust of it all. This is so wrong. Anyway, nice to hear your passion Bruce. :) Gabriel, you may find this nice to read, from one of your fellow citizens, the only Judge that can sleep at night.

Talk to you all soon~! By the way, just heard, there is another case in Georgia, a daughter is doing the same thing to her own mother. See the slippery slope slide through out America. Don't know any details yet. It will kill me if it has anything Cranford on it. Later~!


April 6, 2005

Judge Gerald Tjoflat
U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit
56 Forsyth St. N.W.
Atlanta, Georgia 30303

Dear Sir:

Subject: Your courage in Schindler v. Schiavo

I have read your dissenting opinion in the recent Schindler v. Schiavo case and I completely agree
with your reasons. I applaud you for your dissent and your courage in taking that position in the
circumstances.

I am a family lawyer in Vancouver, Canada. My grandfather and my great-grandfather were judges in
Ontario, Canada. I have a cousin who is a judge and innumerable cousins who are lawyers. I was the
first woman lawyer in my family in four generations of lawyers. I am a practicing Catholic but pro-
choice and liberal leaning in most issues. Prior to becoming a lawyer I was a government psychologist
working with profoundly mentally disabled, but otherwise healthy patients. Most of my patients
functioned at a lower level than Terri Schiavo appeared to function at when she was alive. I am grateful
to those patients for what they taught me about what it means to be human.

The death of Terri Schiavo pursuant to Court Order has frightened me as a lawyer. I have always felt
confident that I could rely on the law to help the weak and vulnerable. I always believed that Lady
Justice with her scales could raise the lowest person in our society to an even playing field with the
strongest. When Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube was removed and she was allowed to dehydrate and
starve to death, my world view was profoundly shaken forever. The law, which I had always seen as a
shield for the weak ,was used as a sword against them. I was worried for my younger brother who
suffers from Down Syndrome. What judge might decide that the quality of his life was not good enough
to sustain? As you know in the common law with the principle of stare decisis, a precedent has been
set.

In considering the judicial response to this case this quote of Shakespeare from the Merchant of
Venice kept coming to me:

That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy.

I understand Shakespeare to say in that quote that none of us would achieve salvation without God’s
mercy, so we ask for mercy and render deeds of mercy to other in the course of justice. In my opinion
that is what you have done in this case.

I find it easier to carry on in my honorable profession of lawyer knowing that there are still people and
judges like you out there who will stand up for the Rule of Law informed by mercy, and do what they
believe is right even when it is not the most popular thing to do.

Posted by Booster at April 6, 2005 11:48 PM

"But, we need to watch these crooks like hawks. Keep the focus."

IC,

I don't like what I am hearing and seeing. I am a Republican. I am going to give it up if they don't stop saying, these Judges did the right thing. They better act or they have lost my vote and at this point, it matters very much. They need every vote they can get. We all know what that A report is going to say.

Take care

Posted by Booster at April 7, 2005 12:31 AM

I have misspelled the priest name in my previous post. His name is Father Pavone. I did watch the repeat of the O'Reilly's show last night.
The Farther also said that in his entire life, he has never seen so horrible death! As a priest, he sees a lot of dying, so this must have been horrible.
I think O'Reilly will post this interview with Father Pavone on his 'Factor' web site shortly. I will watch for it.

Booster, I am blaming more Democrats then Republicans. Most of the Republicans wanted Terri to live and voted that way, with some exceptions. Democrats wanted Terri dead, with some notable exceptions. But, we need to keep the pressure on both parties, thay have to recall Greer. Otherwise, as you have posted above, this idiot Greer's decision will be used by shysters as a precedent. It would be even easier to kill innocent people the next time.
As for Jeb Bush, I would have loved to see him to send Florida state troopers to storm the Hospice and rescue Terri. But, what would happen immediately after - all DemocRats, united with all the rest of the commies would file with every and each court in the US, claming Jeb's action illegal, unconstitutional. Courts would have agreed and Jeb would have to bring Terri back to the Hospice. In fact, Jeb did send some troops to Pinellas Park, to be ready to storm the place when he orders it. However, Pinellas County Sheriff and the local police chief issued a warning to Jeb Bush that they will not let any state authority into their county. So, I do understand why Jeb did not follow through.
I count Pinellas County Sheriff and the local police among crooks, in addition to the rest of the boys we know about.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 7, 2005 7:13 AM

One previous comment:

"I don't like what I am hearing and seeing. I am a Republican. I am going to give it up if they don't stop saying, these Judges did the right thing. They better act or they have lost my vote and at this point, it matters very much. They need every vote they can get."

Another previous comment:

"As for Jeb Bush, I would have loved to see him to send Florida state troopers to storm the Hospice and rescue Terri. But, what would happen immediately after - all DemocRats, united with all the rest of the commies would file with every and each court in the US, claming Jeb's action illegal, unconstitutional. Courts would have agreed and Jeb would have to bring Terri back to the Hospice. In fact, Jeb did send some troops to Pinellas Park, to be ready to storm the place when he orders it."

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Comment One from a Voice of Reason who chooses to try to exercise influence at the voting machine (assuming that the machines really work and register your vote as you made it; another issue, another place).

Comment Two from a disenfranchised person who endorses violence used under the guise of Executive Power to violate the law and court's interpretation of it. George Wallace and Lester Maddox were notable proponents of this type of action.

I have watched several interviews with father Pavone, but not the O'Reilly one; for some reason, FoxNews comes in distorted on my TV so I stopped watching it.

Father Pavone, head of Priests for Life, has wiggled through the interviews that I saw, contradicting himself on several occasions, but most noticeably putting a "spin" on his observations and leaving out important details. His experience will be the subject of a widely distributed book.

Regardless of what George Felos may have said, I'm sure that Terri's death was not "pleasant". The morphine was used to ease the pain that she might have felt, but people don't die in real life like they do on TV.

I find it equally hard to imagine that Terri's death was the most horrible that Father Pavone has ever witnessed, even though his experience at the Parish level was limited to 5 years at a Staten Island Parish from 1988-93; his involvement in Pro-life activities started in 1976 long before he entered Seminary, and he has headed Priests For Life since its founding in 1993. His devotion to his cause is above reproach.

But that does not make him infallible, and he does have certain "biases" that come with such devotion. He fought long and hard for Terri Schiavo, but just as pictures of aborted fetuses are used in his advocacy against abortion, so I believe that he would use Terri Schiavo's death as a tool to further his cause.

I spent some time at the "Priests for Life" website, as well as his own personal site. His view on "Living Wills" is as follows:

"Not every medical treatment is always obligatory. But to figure out which treatments are obligatory, morally speaking, and which are only optional, one must know the medical facts of the case. These facts are then examined in the light of the moral principles involved. But to try to make that decision in advance is to act without all the necessary information. Moreover, to make that decision legally binding by means of a formal document is really putting the cart before the horse. It is not morally justified. Living Wills are both unnecessary and dangerous.

Living Wills are also unnecessary because they propose to give rights which patients and doctors already possess. People already have the right to make informed consent decisions telling their family and physicians how they want to be treated if and when they can no longer make decisions for themselves. Doctors are already free to withhold or withdraw useless procedures in terminal cases that provide no benefit to the patient. Some people fear that medical technology will be used to torture them in their final days. But it is more likely that the 'medical heroics' people fear are the very treatments that will make possible a more comfortable, less painful death.

Moreover, if the living will indicates one does not want "to be kept alive by medications" or "artificial means" what does that mean? An aspirin is "medication," is it not? Drinking through a straw is "artificial." People can construe meanings for these words which the signer of the document never intended.

16. What are the alternatives to a "Living Will?"

A safer route is to appoint a health care proxy who can speak for you in those cases where you may not be able to speak for yourself. This should be a person who shares your moral convictions, and who will be able to apply them to specific medical situations that may arise for you in the future.

Some are worried that they will have all kinds of treatment they don't want. But in the current climate, you are more at risk of the opposite, as more and more hospitals are refusing lifesaving treatment to people who want it. Because of this, more and more people are signing documents, called the "Will to Live," that expressly indicate their desire for lifesaving treatment, should the need arise."

He says "Living Wills are both unnecessary and dangerous". He advocates a "Will to Live", and "A safer route is to appoint a health care proxy who can speak for you in those cases where you may not be able to speak for yourself."

Father Pavone's own words rebuke the "living Will" issue for Terri. Under Father Pavone's recommendation, who do you think Terri Schiavo would have appointed as her health care proxy had she done so at the time of or during her marriage? The vows uttered by both parties in a traditional Catholic Wedding Ceremony imply the same.

I am not a Catholic. My wife is. But we agree on most moral issues of life, and death. And I know what she would want under similar circumstances. I hope I never have to make those decisions.

As for Father Pavone, it's my turn to offer an opinion, without slur.

"Right to Life" has been his passion, his life, for almost 30 years. I take his thoughts into consideration from that perspective. He has headed "Priests for Life" with the permission of Cardinal O'Connor, and acted on behalf of the Vatican in similar matters. Is their a Cardinalship in this for Father Pavone? One doesn't wake up a Cardinal one day. It's a political process based upon faith, good works, visibility and contacts. As it should be.

So, I hope I've conveyed my thoughts here in an understandable manner, without calling anybody a ghoul, meathead, Republi-Fascist, idiot, jerk, murderer, or anything else.

I invite a response. And thank you again, Gabriel, for reading my postings.


Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 7, 2005 11:51 AM

Here is the transcript of Father Pavone's appearance on Bill O'Rilley's Factor, April 6:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152738,00.html

An excerpt:
"I was with Terri for three or four hours before she died, right up to about 10 minutes before her death. Now George Felos and Michael Schiavo, they want to say this was a peaceful, gentle, merciful death. Bill, in all my years as priest I have never seen anything so horrifying or agonizing as the way she died."

Posted by I. Caganek at April 7, 2005 11:56 AM

As mentioned earlier, I was brought up a Catholic due to had been placed in two different orphanages ,But when i got older,and thought about religion and all different version of what peoples had to say ,I then decided ,that i would no longer be a member of any religion,As for example ,too many hypocrites,That the way i feel ,

Posted by Gabriel Simard at April 7, 2005 12:53 PM

This Bruce needs to show his feathers. We know he is a liberal Democrat. But, from the senseless mush he posts here it seems he approves of killing Terri. He should answer a simple question:
I approve putting Terri to death – Year or No. There is no other answer to this.
Unless he shows his feathers, he looks to me like a provocateur, on assignment by the Democrat Party. Looks like he is in tune with Felos and Greer.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 7, 2005 1:01 PM

THE VIRGIN MARY SAID!
"FOR MY GLORY
terri MUST LIVE.
Restore the equipment
and give Terri her
nutrients".

Sincerely
Venita J Rice

Posted by Venita J Rice at April 7, 2005 1:04 PM

THE VIRGIN MARY SAID!
"FOR MY GLORY
terri MUST LIVE.
Restore the equipment
and give Terri her
supply on nutrients".

Sincerely
Venita J Rice

Posted by Venita J Rice at April 7, 2005 1:08 PM

There's more than one side to everything, usually two, but sometimes three or more. I'm really still trying to figure out how many sides there are here, so I know which ones NOT to be on.

I have no love or admiration for George Felos; I never said I did. But I'm not sure that I have any more for Father Pavone, either. There are too many characters in this to make it a simple: "I approve putting Terri to death – Year or No. There is no other answer to this." The quote and spelling are not mine.

No judge put Terri to death. They only ruled on Michael Schiavo's authority to make decisions regarding her care (Ok, or abuse, for those who will disagree with my use of the word "care"). That was within their authority to do so.

Father Pavone brought "All the Powers That Be" into play here: Governor Bush, the Florida Legislature, the US Congress, The US Supreme Court, the Court of Public Opinion. As an activist, he's probably unparalleled.

But that doesn't make him right.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 7, 2005 1:38 PM

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Posted by pc93 at April 7, 2005 1:50 PM

Bruce,
no more mush, please.
Answer this question:

>>> Do you approve killing of Terri?

The answer is either YES or NO.
Any other, mushy answer means "I do approve killing of Terri".
We should not play childish verbal games here, this is about brutal, inhumane killing of an innocent person.
So, show your feathers!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 7, 2005 2:12 PM

Whitesell:

DO YOU APPROVE KILLING OF TERRI?

Yes or No!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 7, 2005 6:06 PM

Terri was not killed. I do not believe that Terri's death was murder. In your black-and-white world, you have your answer.

Would you have killed Michael to "save" Terri, I. Caganek? Or are your words just empty? Yes or no. Show your colors.

Your answer will come easy. Mine did not. Would I have disconnected Terri's feeding tube? I don't know. Would you still pull the trigger on Michael Schiavo or George Felos? Yes or no, I. Caganek. Show your colors.

Do you advocate the death of Michael Schiavo, George Felos and every judge who ruled in favor of Michael Schiavo's guardianship of Terri? Why not? They are murderers, aren't they? Murderers deserve to die, don't they? Yes or no, I. Caganek. Show your colors.

In a world of choices only between extremes, everybody loses. In trying to save Terri, I. Caganek, you have wandered down a hateful path, full of dark shadows. Read your postings. Is that how you REALLY feel, or are you just p____ed off at the world? I'll take a simple yes or no on that one, too.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 7, 2005 10:03 PM

Whew! I hit the "SEND" button on that one too soon! Awfully pointed and antagonistic. But, I'm not sure I could have said it any other way. So, I guess it stands as is, with prior apologies if it offends.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 7, 2005 10:12 PM

Let's put aside for the moment the actual extent of Terri's neurological condition. For every doctor that is sure her brain was pure Jello, another specialist could debate that he/she felt there was potential for improvement. And forget the polls. Any poll that starts out trying to find opinions on Terri's "right to die," never understood the situation from the start. Unlike a few years back, when a quadraplegic woman with multiple sclerosis, whose mere act of swallowing caused pain, requested that the Canadian Parliament allow her to end her own life, Terri never asked to die.

What bothers me is that a single judge decided what facts would be accepted during the initial case, albitrarily dismissing some facts, and not allowing others to even be brought up. "But Gil, didn't all the other courts also review that evidence?" No, there was only a single evidenciary trial held - all other court activities revolved around reviewing the original transcripts looking for procedural errors. NO new evidence, or evidence that Judge Greer would not allow, was ever seen. At the end, when a life was at stake, Judge Greer refused to consider the possibly that he was human, that he possibly did not fully consider all possibilities. For this arrogance, the voters of Florida should not re-elect him for any public position.

Pretty much world-wide, whenever a wife or husband is found dead of fowl play, police generally will automatically count the spouse as the chief suspect, in lieu of significant evidence pointing elsewhere. In some respects, that makes common sense, since as the fellow from PA pointed out, getting married is the easy part, staying married is work, remaining sane while married is ofttimes impossible.

Terri was found dead, but the testimony from the paramedics that first arrived on the scene of Terri's collapse stated that the condition of her body looked enough out of the ordinary for them to feel compelled to call in the police before moving her. We also have some hospital reports of test films showing some extensive bone damage.

So why, in the absense of a written living will, would Judge Dreddfull take on hearsay faith Michael Schiavo's claim that he heard Terri mention that she would never like to continue living 'in this state.' Maybe, if she did actually say that, she meant Florida! The man who had the greatest motive to see Terri dead, was given the right to make it happen. In the absense of a living will, shouldn't the prudent thing for the judge to have done was err on the side of Terri by awarding either Terri's parents, or an unaffiliated social services representative as Terri's guardian? Shame on you, soon-to-be-back-to Mr. Greer, you seem to believe that the words 'judge' and 'god' are synonyms.

Posted by Gil Bates at April 7, 2005 10:35 PM

OK, so help me out here. The above postings by Gil and Booster raise questions for me.

Apparently transcripts of the various hearings are available on-line, in full? Not edited, or paraphrased, but in their entirety? I've seen "notarized affidavits" sometimes confused with 'sworn statements", but they aren't the same. I have also found copies of Court Decisions. such as the District Court of appeal Florida Second District Court from June 6, 2003:
http://www.2dca.org/opinion/June%2006,%202003/2D02-5394.pdf

"Terri was found dead, but the testimony from the paramedics that first arrived on the scene of Terri's collapse stated that the condition of her body looked enough out of the ordinary for them to feel compelled to call in the police before moving her. We also have some hospital reports of test films showing some extensive bone damage."

I've read about the x-rays and signs of broken bones as reported by a "Dr. Walker", but I've never seen that info on the paramedics statements.

"What bothers me is that a single judge decided what facts would be accepted during the initial case, arbitrarily dismissing some facts, and not allowing others to even be brought up. "But Gil, didn't all the other courts also review that evidence?" No, there was only a single evidentiary trial held - all other court activities revolved around reviewing the original transcripts looking for procedural errors."

My reading of the Court Decisions such as the one referenced above doesn't seem to support that claim. but then, I'm not an attorney, either.

I'm also not familiar with the report that Terri had PID, mentioned in a previous posting here.

The letter to Judge Gerald Tjoflat also posted previously was a great letter, but the sender isn't shown in the posting.

As I've said before, there is so much "information" on the net, but most of it is opinion, or incomplete paraphrasing, or not referenced back to a source. Call me paranoid or suspicious, or untrusting, but there are too many zealots and too many agendas in play here to "take somebody's word" on anything.

Was there a conspiracy in the State of Florida to "kill" Terri Schiavo, extending up to and including the Florida Supreme Court, and even into the United States Supreme Court? Was there a conspiracy by the various Right-to-life groups to use Terri as a "poster person" and a test case? Are there any other explanations open to us? Is it possible that everyone was just doing the best job that they could? Oops, that's not going to be an acceptable theory here.

I haven't spent as much time as some of the people who post here, and I certainly don't expect to change anybody else's mind about Terri's death. I just want to be comfortable with my own mind about it.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 7, 2005 11:32 PM

Gil,

So why, in the absense of a written living will, would Judge Dreddfull take on hearsay faith Michael Schiavo's claim that he heard "Terri mention that she would never like to continue living 'in this state.' Maybe, if she did actually say that, she meant Florida!"

Yep, I know that is what she meant. Anyone talking their kids to Disney World after this? I hope not~! They have some wicked laws in their state.

Poor Pity Michael Schiavo. That man has destroyed his own life at his own hands, and he doesn't even know it. He needed a body guard to protect himself from himself. He is haunted forever. American's will never let him forget it. Just ask OJ. Mayve they can form a club. "Men that kill their wives and get away with it" He will always be known for what he did, He murdered his own wife and abused our Judical System. At least OJ was quick...Michael made her suffer, tortured, intimidated her for 15 long year. He tortured us all to the bitter end. He surrounded her with grinning Felos, Scott, and himself with some cheap Teddy Bear they picked up at illegal immigrant Cuban's road side flea market. He ripped the hearts of her Mother, Father, Sister and Brother and put them down the garbage disposal with a sly grin. He thought he was winning. What a loser.


Michael Schiavo..Your worse Prison is within your own soul. You will never be free of such torment. You should have taken you anti psychotic meds. You also ripped the heart out of people around the world.

Live you Legacy Michael Schiavo, you have no Peace left.

This man, even though it is court ordered, has not informed Terri's family what he is or has done with Terri's remains. My guess, he flushed them down a Road Side Gas Station bathroom, on the way home from the crematorium.

This man has no conscience. He should be in a straight jacket. Hopefully the demons in his head will send him off to the padded cell he belongs in before he kills again.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 2:43 AM

Larry King asked Michael Schiavo why he left the room when they removed the feeding tube. Michael said, "I just didn't want to be there"....

You know why...because he didn't want to hear Terri's cries. Terri Schindler cried when they removed her feeding tube. She knew what was happening. She cried for 13 long days.

We have scum in America that laughed as she cried. We still have idiots that think she was on a respirator.

Then again, we have Clerks at BEST BUY calling the cops and the Secret Service on a guy making his purchase with two dollar bills. FYI, for those that are actually brain damaged, 2 dollar bills are legal tender.

Main Entry: legal tender
Function: noun
Date: 1739
: money that is legally valid for the payment of debts and that must be accepted for that purpose when offered


Our country is so doomed...

Click here: WorldNetDaily: Man arrested, cuffed after using $2 bills

YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK
Man arrested, cuffed after using $2 bills
Best Buy customer on being jailed: 'At this point, I'm a mass murderer'

"Meanwhile, everybody's looking at me. I've lived here 18 years. I'm hoping my kids don't walk in and see this. And I'm saying, 'I can't believe you're doing this. I'm paying with legal American money.'"

Bolesta was taken to the lockup, where he sat handcuffed to a pole and in leg irons while the Secret Service was called.

"At this point," he says, "I'm a mass murderer."

Secret Service agent Leigh Turner eventually arrived and declared the bills legitimate, adding, according to the police report, "Sometimes ink on money can smear."

Commenting on the incident, Baltimore County police spokesman Bill Toohey told the Sun: "It's a sign that we're all a little nervous in the post-9/11 world."

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 3:13 AM

Commenting on the incident, Baltimore County police spokesman Bill Toohey told the Sun: "It's a sign that we're all a little nervous in the post-9/11 world."


Our police are even silly. This was not a post-9/11 world issue. It was a total idiot issue.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 3:20 AM

Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman)

But that does not make him infallible, and he does have certain "biases" that come with such devotion. He fought long and hard for Terri Schiavo, but just as pictures of aborted fetuses are used in his advocacy against abortion, so I believe that he would use Terri Schiavo's death as a tool to further his cause.

What was his cause? Spell it out to me,
but s-l-o-w-e-r.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 3:22 AM

Booster, I am blaming more Democrats then Republicans. Most of the Republicans wanted Terri to live and voted that way, with some exceptions. Democrats wanted Terri dead, with some notable exceptions.

HI IC,

I know, the mere silence out of most of those Democrats, especially the ones that go on frequent PMS-hormonal-eye popping rants was deafening. Gee, I actually missed them this time around. I even missed Howard Deans "SCREAM" I kept checking my hearing aid to see if I needed a new battery.

BUT........these are not the Republicans I used to know. They let a Tyrant Judge have his way as he thumbed his nose at the Law of our Lands. Let's just hope the wheels of Justice are in motion with DOJ.

The question here is WWJD? *Janet She needed to lend her chest hair to Jeb.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 3:49 AM

Bruce-Per You..No judge put Terri to death. They only ruled on Michael Schiavo's authority to make decisions regarding her care (Ok, or abuse, for those who will disagree with my use of the word "care"). That was within their authority to do so.

That's true, under the Guardian Law's of Florida, you can do just about anything with that Power of Attorney. Including torture and murder. This Judge carried out the order with Zeal. Did you not notice? Does it make it right Bruce? Florida residents should be luiterally shakening in their boots at their own Guardian Laws. I am sure Felos was the "soul" lobbist for getting it passed. Just more work for me to do.

Put this in your black helicopter and smoke it...
While doing so they...violated Federal Law.

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Investigative Programs - Civil ...
... Title 18, USC, Section 241 - Conspiracy Against Rights. Title 18, USC, Section

242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law ...
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/statutes.htm

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Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241
Conspiracy Against Rights

This statute makes it unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same).

It further makes it unlawful for two or more persons to go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another with the intent to prevent or hinder his/her free exercise or enjoyment of any rights so secured.

Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to ten years, or both; and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years, or for life, or may be sentenced to death.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/statutes.htm#section241

=====================

Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S.

This law further prohibits a person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation or custom to willfully subject or cause to be subjected any person to different punishments, pains, or penalties, than those prescribed for punishment of citizens on account of such person being an alien or by reason of his/her color or race.

Acts under "color of any law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under "color of any law," the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs.

Punishment varies from a fine or imprisonment of up to one year, or both, and if bodily injury results or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire shall be fined or imprisoned up to ten years or both, and if death results, or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/statutes.htm#anchor286635

NEXT

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 4:23 AM

Well, it seems I have been robbed of my First Amendment on this very board.

Wow.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 4:38 AM

LISTEN TO: Dr. Hammesfahrs: http://www.apfn.org/audio/DrHammesfahr2.mp3

Dr. Hammesfahr revealed that not only has Terri NEVER had a heart attack as widely reported in the major media, she also NEVER even had a cardiac arrest (her heart never stopped)! [she had arhythmias of the heart but not a
"stopped heart."] He explained that Terri's injuries were multiple and showed injury TO her. He stated that Terri had marked injury to her neck
which still exists today, and that he has only seen a similar injury, with spinal cord involvement as well as brain injury, in one case where a patient had been strangled. He stated that Terri had an L-1 injury to her spine,
which he stated is common among persons being thrown against a table, for example. Dr. Hammesfahr confirmed that Terri could talk and was improving in the very first year when she was getting some rehabilitation (BEFORE Michael
got the money), and that the medical records confirm, that after Michael got
the money, rehabilitation was completely stopped!
MORE

I can't post the links to this, the board Police won't let me.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 4:41 AM

Michael Is a Criminal According to Florida State Law:
798.01. Living in open adultery
Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section.
http://www.sodomy.org/laws/florida/cohabitation.html

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 4:47 AM

Condolences to the Schindler Families can
be sent to their attorney, addressed as:

Bob & Mary Schindler
c/o Gibbs Law Firm, P.A.
5666 Seminole Blvd. Suite #2
Seminole FL 33772

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 4:53 AM

I listened to about 10 minutes of Dr. Hammesfahr's interview, and then went looking for more info on him. He was one of five doctors selected, one of two by the Schindlers, to review Terri's case and make an assessment to the court. But then, you all knew that. He's also appeared as an "Internationally renowned Neurologist" on FoxNews:

From the March 21 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
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HANNITY: And we're going to talk to a doctor who spent 10 hours with her tonight, and he says that he believes, in his expert opinion -- this is a man that was nominated for a Nobel Prize, by the way -- that she could be rehabilitated.

[...]

HANNITY: And coming up later in the program tonight, we're going to meet a doctor who actually spent 10 hours examining Terri Schiavo. He was nominated for a Nobel Prize. He believes that she could be rehabilitated.

[...]

HANNITY: You were nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine?

HAMMESFAHR: Yes.

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There's more on this, but I think that I've demonstrated my point.

He also references this nomination on his own website, http://www.hnionline.com/: "Dr. Hammesfahr was nominated for the Nobel Prize for his work in Medicine and Physiology in 1999. The Nomination was for work started in 1994."

A copy of that nomination can be found at http://www.hnionline.com/nobel_prize_nomination.htm

The nomination was made by US Congressman Michael Bilirakis (R), Florida 9th District, who has served continuously in the US House of Representatives since 1982. He apparently does a good job for his constituents, and that's his job. His son, Gus, is a member of the Florida legislature.

The qualifications for Nominators can be found at http://nobelprize.org/medicine/nomination/nominators.html, and to save time, I've reprinted it below:
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The Nominators – Physiology or Medicine

Right to submit proposals for the award of the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, based on the principle of competence and universality, shall by statute be enjoyed by:

1. Members of the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm;
2. Swedish and foreign members of the medical class of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences;
3. Nobel Laureates in Physiology or Medicine;
4. Members of the Nobel Committee not qualified under paragraph 1 above;
5. Holders of established posts as professors at the faculties of medicine in Sweden and holders of similar posts at the faculties of medicine or similar institutions in Denmark, Finland, Iceland and Norway;
6. Holders of similar posts at no fewer than six other faculties of medicine selected by the Assembly, with a view to ensuring the appropriate distribution of the task among various countries and their seats of learning; and
7. Practitioners of natural sciences whom the Assembly may otherwise see fit to approach.

Decisions concerning the selection of the persons appointed under paragraphs 6 and 7 above are taken before the end of May each year on the recommendation of the Nobel Committee.

Prize-Awarder: The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm
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Unfortunately, Rep Bilirakis doesn't meet any of the above criteria, and since the Nomination Database is kept private for 50 years, I couldn't find out whether the nomination was even accepted or not.

It appears that Rep. Bilirakis has no more standing to submit a nomination than I do, with the Nobel Committee.

Bogus credentials make me suspect. Aboveboard people don't need them; Con Artists and Charlatans do. Dr. Hammesfahr has deliberately held himself out to be "a Nobel Prize Nominee", when he knew, OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, that Rep. Bilirakis did not have the authority to nominate him.

But then again, it's Rep Bilirakis job to keep his constituents happy, as he has for more than 20 years. I wonder if Dr. Hammesfahr was a contributor to his reelection campaign?

So, while my Grandmother used to say "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater", I'm not really too inclined to place much credibility on Dr. Hammesfahr. He may be for hire.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 8, 2005 7:52 AM

"Michael Is a Criminal According to Florida State Law:
798.01. Living in open adultery
Whoever lives in an open state of adultery shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. Where either of the parties living in an open state of adultery is married, both parties so living shall be deemed to be guilty of the offense provided for in this section."

What was left out was that Michael's "concubine-whore-bitch" is also guilty. I wonder if his two bastard children could be seized by the State if Michael and Jodi were both convicted and imprisoned. They can get up to 60 days in the pokey and a $10,000 fine for a Class 2 Misdemeanor.

Michael would have been unable to pull the feeding tube if he had been kept in jail on consecutive convictions. How come nobody thought of that strategy? It's too late now.

I'll bet the State of Florida has a great time enforcing this law! It must be a real moneymaker. I hope nobody who participates in these posts has ever "lived with" someone while they or their partner waited for a divorce decree. Adultery is still a crime in 27 States. I'm not sure about New Brunswick.

On the other hand, the law is the law, unless it violates your constitutional rights.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 8, 2005 8:16 AM

This Bruce Whitesell is a pro-abortion activist, atheist, left wing Democrat operative. His purpose here is to sabotage this board. He wants to shut the discussion down. Just read his first post.
He is a loon and his reasoning is a mush, nonsense. He plans to fill this board with his loony mush. This is supposed to end the discussion here.
He should move on to MoveOn.org, that’s where he belongs. This is not a commie board.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 8, 2005 8:51 AM

Actually, I'm a Pro-life Lutheran-converted-to-American Baptist Liberal Democrat who doesn't see much hope in my party, either. But you have to choose one, because the electoral process is tipped so heavily in favor of the Two Party System, with the Winner Take All.

I have voted in every general election since 1972, and I have NEVER voted a Straight Ticket, nor have I always voted for one of the two Major Party candidates. I AM an activist in that I exercise my right to vote, and my obligation to stay informed as part of it, even though I've really questioned the value of it recently.

I didn't think commies were viewed as a threat by anybody anymore except for John Birch Society members. Are you a card-carrying member, I. Caganek? National Socialists hate commies, too. I hope that you're just a Traditional Catholic, in which case I take no offense in your view.

I do participate in MoveOn.org at times, too. Over there some view me as disparagingly as you do, I. Caganek. They don't have all the answers either.

I answered your question I. Caganek. Yes or no. Why have you not answered mine? I guess there is no quid pro quo (I'll show you mine if you show me yours") on this blogsite.

Can we stop poking sticks at each other personally? I don't want to shut this discussion down. Within it all, there important things to learn. I'll sit back and listen for awhile.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 8, 2005 9:43 AM

Mr. Whitesell,
I see clearly that MoveOn.org site, any left wing sites controlled by George Soros & Michael Moore, and any pro-abortion N.O.W. sites are more suitable for you. You fit there, no doubt.
Here, you just do not fit. You have contributed nothing here, only a mush.
You have voted for Jean-Francois Kerree in the last presidential election.
Good luck on MoveOn.org, all the best to George Soros & Michael Moore.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 8, 2005 11:42 AM

Now, now... all are welcome here as long as they keep it fairly clean.

I'll be the one to tell folks when its time to move on, Caganek, not you.

Mr. Whitesell is quite welcome here.

Posted by Gerard Van Der Leun at April 8, 2005 12:26 PM

Gerard,
fair enough. As long as they show their feathers, so we all know who we are dealing with. If some volunteer for MoveOn.org, I would expect they do not hide it.
Regards.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 8, 2005 1:02 PM

Here is a reply to my post on another board, regarding Terri. On the first look, I didn’t like the response. On the second, this looked like a good opportunity to make the point. Here is the reply to my post:

"Regarding the poll–it has NO relationship to Terri. Being “disabled” makes poll respondents think about someone who is blind or in a wheel chair, being disabled is not being brain dead. Of course people don’t want to starve someone who has awareness, but Terri didn’t. Don’t be fooled by those videos–that was 4 minutes of tape edited from 6 or 7 hours–they just picked out the parts where she seemed to be looking in the right direction.
Don’t you people get it? Terri was NOT there any more. Her body was still going, but SHE was gone. She was brain dead. Her brain showed no electrical activity and her cortex was atrophied.
Have you ever seen a loved one in a similar state? I have–my father–and it was heartbreaking. We had the courage and the sanity to let his body go (just like Tom DeLay did).
And whoever thinks the judges were in contempt of Congress needs to read the Constitution. Things worked exactly the way it says. Ever heard of separation of powers? “
Comment by ….. — April 7, 2005 @ 8:39 pm


Obviously, people often mix apples and pears. So, this was my reply:
……,
sorry to hear about your father. I am sure that your family did the right thing. Your family and DeLay’s family were in agreement. No one is judging your decision.
But, Terri’s case is entirely different. Her entire family, 5 of them, wanted to keep her, as she was. They considered her alive. Only 1 person, her husband, wanted here gone.
There is no comparison between your father’s case and Terri.
Best wishes!
Comment by I. Caganek — April 8, 2005 @ 1:56 pm

As you see, some people lump all these cases together, it’s all the same to them. The basic flaw in their argument: “If Tom DeLay let his father die, than you should not object to Terri being put to death.”
The big difference is that some families want their loved ones to live, as they are. They should be allowed to take care of the loved ones.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 8, 2005 1:25 PM

Bruce-"Bogus credentials make me suspect. Aboveboard people don't need them; Con Artists and Charlatans do"

Barbara Sheen Todd (County Commissioner) for eight years, sitting board member of Suncoast Hospice. She worked side by side with Judge Greer (former county comissioner)
Do you find that suspect too?
Judge Greer's fellow Judge, John Lenderman is the brother of Martha Lenderman, also on the Hospice board. Does it stink yet?

What would happen if the Federal Government shut this brokerage of bodies down? They should, the Health and Human Service Department have been auditing them and doing charge backs for 10 years because of their misdiagnosed patients thrown into Hospice with phony labels taped to their head, as TERMINAL. Who would lose their JOBS? TOO MANY!

Another suspect of credentials for you Bruce, Board Member of Suncoast Hospice.

Jay Wolfson as a Doctor, GAL to Terri Schindler

I object to the fact that Jay Wolfson was presented as a doctor with the credentials to define the nature of Terri Schaivo's disability. He should never have been appointed briefly as her guardian ad litem.

He is not a medical doctor.

He holds a doctorate in public health from the University of Texas, a law degree from Stetson University College of Law, a master’s degree in public health from Indiana University, a master’s degree in history from New York University, and an undergraduate degree in history from the University of Illinois. He is now a professor at the College of Public Health at the University of South Florida.

Notice that an M.D. is conspicuously absent. He is not clinically trained to diagnose medical conditions.

Don't tread on ME~! With the risk of being Flaming Drama Queen, I will tell you, Don't Tread on me or any American, under my nose watch. I have a sniffer that detects odor from 500 miles away.

Speaking of Poking of Sticks, I am poking plenty of them in hopes these thugs will come after me, so I can apply the Law to them properly and legally.

My charges against them would STICK in my State.
Getting a dime out of me would be like getting blood out of a turnip and they would have met their worse nightmare, for the first time, if they tried.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 2:32 PM

IC,

Delay's Dad is nothing compared to Terri. His wife pulled the "electrical plug" and Tom stood by and held her hand while she did it. We have people in this country that listen to BS because it serves their own cause at the risk of another innocent American life. They don't give a $hit about anyone, other than themselves.

Those are not qualities that made America great, by a long shot. This country is slowly being destroyed, but not by Islam.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 3:00 PM

Jay WOLFSON is not a M.D.?
Damn! Unbelievable! I assumed he was a Doctor of Medicine!
Booster, are we sure about this?

If he has a PhD in Public Health, he knows NOTHING about medicine. Public Health is a POLICY discipline. He couldn't diagnose even cold vs. flu.
This stinks more and more. Looks scandalous to me.

More of stink - that Stetson law school is a local, Florida school. Most of the Florida lawyers get their law degree there. Now, guess where this school is located - in Pinellas County, right where Terri was killed. It looks like a bunch of Stetson bosom-buddy lawyers got a good grip on Terri.
This should be investigated in detail. Not good.
Icy.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 8, 2005 3:08 PM

IC,

His own honest and decent colleagues, out of the state "of Soul Broker Body State", State of Florida, busted him after he went on Night line and told Ted he was A Doctor when talking about the case.

Has anyone noticed yet that is Florida's greatest import? They have nothing to sell by Oranges.

Sheeze. I need a drink, but since I don't drink, I guess I will just have to stew in my own fury and scorn and live with all this criminal garbage.

Another thing, it has been 15 days since Terri was barbarically denied water and food to her mouth, slowly tortured and murdered, and MS has been ordered by Saddam's court to notify her family the where abouts of her remains. AS of 4/9/05 he has not done so. So.....why is it this bastard has not been arrested for Contempt of court. How long does it take to type out a contempt of order charge, or a warrant for his arrest. I doubt they would have trouble finding him, he works at the freaking Pinellos Jail.

This is crazy.....People in America don't even care. WTF is going on. I know,.....WTF is going on.


If anything, people should see what he is doing TODAY.....His actions are louder than any word in the dictionary.

Posted by Booster at April 8, 2005 4:47 PM

I just checked on this Dr. Wolfson, here is a part from Washington Post interview, March 23:

Introduction by Washington Post: Dr. Jay Wolfson, professor of Public Health and Medicine at the University of South Florida and professor of Health Law at Stetson University College of Law, was online Wednesday, March 23, at 11 a.m. ET to discuss his role as special guardian for Terri Schivao in 2003 and his report on her condition to Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida courts.

A transcript follows. Here goes the good doctor:

"Dr. Jay Wolfson: Hello -- my name is Jay Wolfson, I am professor of public health and medicine at the University of South Florida, College of Public Health in Tampa, and Professor of Law, Stetson University College of Law. I served as the court appointed, special guardian ad litem for Theresa Marie Schiavo, subsequent to the special law passed by the Florida Legislature in October of 2003."
And the interview goes on.

I say, this is me now talking, I. Caganek, this guy is an imposter! He pretends to be a medical doctor - see his own introduction in the paragraph above "professor of Public Health and Medicine". you see that " and Medicine" there?
Well, he is NOT Doctor of Medicine.

Another thing, see a question to the good professor from Cleveland, OH:
"Cleveland, Ohio: Why didn't you insist on appropriate and complete neurological tests, including a swallow test, as part of your review?

Are you a neurologist?

Dr. Jay Wolfson: i did."

See the problem above? He was asked if he was neurologist. He did not answer that question. He answered the previous question.

To me, if the Washington Post interview is genuine, the professsor is not a medical doctor. He only pretends to be one, in which case he is an imposter. This guy was a special guardian for Terri Schiavo in 2003! I suppose he was appointed be "His Honor" Greer. Is this Greer a nut or what? WTF is going on in our courts? Let's find out! Let's work on this, slowly, methodically, like egyptians, but surely.

Here is the link this info is from:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57781-2005Mar22.html

Anyone out there has access to any info on the subject? Booster, I'm sure we all thank you (including our pal Bruce) for being dilligent in finding this good stuff. This is what the freeking courts are supposed to find out, aren't they! This is that moron Greer's job, isn't it!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 8, 2005 7:53 PM

Pal Bruce thanks you, too, Booster. The link to Jay Wolfson's Interview was especially helpful. I read the interview and the Report to the Court and Governor Bush that was linked. But I read the interview transcript differently than I.C. does, apparently.

I didn't see anywhere that Jay Wolfson held himself out to be a Medical Doctor; "Doctor" is a term applied to ANYONE in ANY field who has successfully completed the requirements of a Doctorate. Physicians usually use MD after their name, or they indicate their specialty.

In one case in particular in the interview he made it clear he was NOT offering a medical opinion:

"Bethesda, Md.: Over the past few days, many people on television and on the radio have contended that she could be rehabilitated, but hasn't been given the chance. In your medical opinion, is that true, or is she beyond that point?

Dr. Jay Wolfson: I offer no medical opinion - only a carefully thought through review of the actual medical facts and legal documents, according to the rules of evidence and the rules of civil procedure and the guardianship law of Florida."

It's a little different to hold yourself out as a Nobel Prize Nominee when the "nominator" has no standing to do so. I'm willing to nominate you, I.C. for the Nobel Prize, if you'll just stop using the terms "moron", "mush" and "commie" about me so much.

Why on earth would the court appoint an MD to handle the legal guardianship of Terri? You wouldn't ask a Lawyer to remove somebody's appendix, would you? In terms of credentials, Jay Wolfson seemed to be an excellent choice.

Curiously enough, Michael Schiavo legally contested the appointment of Jay Wolfson, not the Schindlers.

The GAL Report was best prepared by an attorney. I read Jay Wolfson's report in full, and it cites the reports of the MDs hired to do the evaluations.

I'm still waiting for the links on Terri's PID, other than the urinary tract infection she suffered in 1994, and the sources about the paramedics' call to the police because of suspicious circumstances. I.C. and Booster sure spend a lot of time slapping each other on the back, and occasionally giving some good information. But they don't respond well to questions asked of them; answers would be an unexpected courtesy.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 8, 2005 9:50 PM

I'm still waiting for the links on Terri's PID, other than the urinary tract infection she suffered in 1994, and the sources about the paramedics' call to the police because of suspicious circumstances. I.C. and Booster sure spend a lot of time slapping each other on the back, and occasionally giving some good information. But they don't respond well to questions asked of them; answers would be an unexpected courtesy.

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 8, 2005 09:50 PM


That is rather personal Bruce. Let's just drop that and say she she was being treated with a medication that relives those symptoms. Flagyl aka as Metronidazole in cream form. I withdraw that last assertion because I can't remember where I read it. I know I got the medication from her hospital release records but don't know about the PID. That may have been a debate on the possibilty of the reason for the medication, which is usually the case.

I just wrote HHS and asked them to be more public about their Hot line to report Medicare/Medicade Fraud.

The Case in Georgia was resolved. The Grandmother that Georgia almost starved to death, was moved to Alabama. Thank God. These laws are scary.

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 1:49 AM

Bruce.

UTI Not my words..just posting for you to see.

This is from another blog about the UTI, shows court testimony. Those are not my words, those are the other bloggers words.

08/04/2005
Michael admits: there is a law that says I can't do it
One of the many controversies involved in the scandal of the death sentence placed upon the innocent Theresa Schindler at the request of her faithless husband is that of his attempt to kill Theresa by not allowing her to receive antibiotic treatment for an infection. The incident occurred at Sable Palms Nursing Home and not long after it happened Michael Schiavo, with the help of his attorney, George Felos, arranged to have her taken into the Florida Suncoast Woodside Hospice. This arrangement was illegal because Theresa was not terminally ill at the time that she was taken to Woodside Hospice.

The following is extracted from Michael's testimony regarding why he refused to allow Terri to be given the antibiotic treatment:

November 1993
Michael Schiavo Deposition, Guardianship Hearing

Q. What was her bladder condition?
MS. She had a UTI.

Q. What is that?
MS. Urinary tract infection.

Q. What did the doctor tell you treatment for that would be?
MS. Antibiotic usually.

Q. And did he tell you what would occur if you failed to treat that infection? What did he tell you?
MS. That sometimes urinary tract infection will turn to sepsis.

Q. And sepsis is what?
MS. An infection throughout the body.

Q. And what would the result of untreated sepsis be to the patient?
MS. The patient would pass on.

Q. So when you made the decision not to treat Terri's bladder infection you, in effect, were making a decision to allow her to pass on?

MS. I was making a decision on what Terri would want.

Q. Had the bladder condition been treated?

MS. Yes.

Q. And was...what was the reason that the bladder condition was treated?
MS. Sable Palms Nursing Home said they could not do that by some Florida law which wasn't stated.

Q. But you didn't change your opinion or your decision to not treat the bladder condition?
MS. We did change it.

Q. Correct?
MS. Repeat the question.

Q. You did not change your decision not to treat the bladder condition, correct?
MS. I had to change my decision.

Q. Sable Palms changed it for you?
Attorney Nillson Objection

Q. Okay. Is there any reason that you would not make the same decision that you previously made if the problem came up again?

MS. Repeat your question. You're losing me here.

Q. Let me be more specific. If your wife developed another condition that could result in her death, is there any reason that you would not take the position that you're not going to treat that condition and you're going to instruct the doctor not to treat that condition?
MS. I wouldn't instruct anybody, no.

Q. You instructed the doctor not to treat the condition, correct?

Attorney Nillson Objection

Q. You did instruct the doctor not to treat her bladder condition, correct?
MS. Uh-huh. Yes.

Q. If a similar...would you do the same?
MS. I'm thinking.

Q. Take your time.
MS. I probably wouldn't instruct the doctor to do it.

Q. So you've changed your opinion?
MS. Sort of, yeah.

Q. Why have you changed your opinion?
MS. Because evidently there is a law out there that says I can't do it.

Q. Is that the only reason?
MS. Basically, maybe.

Q. What you're telling me is, is that there is nothing in your belief or feelings that have changed. The only thing that has changed is the fact that you perceive the law prevents you to do what you intended to do?
MS. Correct.

Q. What did you do with your wife's jewelry?
MS. My wife's jewelry?

Q. Yeah.
MS. Um, I think I took her engagement ring and her...what do they call it...diamond wedding band and made a ring for myself.

Q. What did you do with her cats?
MS. Her cats were put to sleep n the advice of my mother-in-law.
(Note: The veterinarian who performed the euthanasia of Terri's pets came forward to say there was never any suggestion from Terri's mother that this be done and only Mr. Schiavo's insistence.)

So now we know that Michael, prior to the guardianship trial attempted to kill Theresa by trying to ensure that she did not get treatment for a UTI. Besides the lie about putting the cats down, it seems that Michael has incriminated himself, indicating that he was attempting to kill his wife by denying her antibiotic treatment. Note how Michael shifted the blame from himself to the doctor. He has claimed under oath that Theresa's doctor told him to refuse the antibiotic treatment.

I will be completing this saga with the transcripts of the affidavit of the nurses from Sable Palms nursing home. It would be useful if more of their staff would now come forward with any information concerning the behaviour of Michael Schiavo. The only nurse who sided with Michael at the trial was a nurse Adams and she did what Mikey wanted, because she claimed that she had not observed any kind of movement that indicated that she was not comatose. However, I think that Mikey better make sure that he retains a good lawyer in the near future because it might be that there is written evidence that Theresa was observed to be "awake".

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http://sayingnotothecultureofdeath.blogspirit.com/

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 1:55 AM

Bruce,

This is not a "right to die" issue, it is a "right to kill" issue.

After 16 days for all of this to sink in, it has changed my feelings about life so much. Our society should not kill anybody unless they are defending themselves from harm. We don't have that right to take a life from anyone. Not even serial killers. They need to go to jail for their crimes. It is not for man to decide. Before Terri was killed by State Law, at the very same time a death row female inmate was released in Daytona Beach beause of poor defense, it just tore me out of the frame. What is right about that? So much injustice in it all. It doesn't even make sense. Terri was a human being. What we did to her was horrible. Yes Bruce, "we". It is our laws that allowed that to take place. It is so so wrong. Before this happened when ever someone was put to death for a crime, when I would hear about it, I would cringe for a few seconds and remove it from my mind. I never told myself, well, good, he is gone now. It bothered me but I went along with it because it was the law. I have changed. It is not right to kill anyone. AND NO I AM NOT CATHOLIC, so don't use that excuse Bruce. This is a human being right to kill. We have no right to kill anymore, other than out of self defense.

Wow, has this changed me. I don't even kill spiders I find in my house on occasion. I get paper and move them outside. I don't have roaches, never have. I might step on one, but If I could kick it out the door, I would try. I know that sounds wierd. Lucky for me, My house is not full of bugs or mice.

This is just so wrong. Terri was slow, handicapped, brain damaged, but she didn't deserve to be killed like this just because she was not "normal". She had people that loved her and wanted to take her home and care for her. What is wrong with that?


Why don't you understand that?

Our laws killed Terri. It was not MS or Judge Greer. It was our own laws.

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 3:07 AM

I am woman, hesr me roar to a lamb, baah. I just read all my posts and I sound like an out of control windbag. I have been blaming the wrong people. I want to make it clear, I wouldn't wish harm or unhappiness on anyone. Truthfully, I feel so sorry for MS two kids. I don't know how old they are but this will hurt them as they grow up. That is so unfair. If I had been in MS shoes I would have never done what he did. Not in a million years. I don't understand his attitude and how he has hurt Terri and her family so much. I don't understand how he can use our laws to snuff her out. It is very much suspect. But the truth is, he has a right to do that, per Florida law. Why the FBI didn't go swooping in to save her, I don't understand that either. The FBI law I cited earlier sure would have covered it to save her. Why weren't they used? What are they for anyway? I don't get it. I am so confused.
I just think this country is in a lot of trouble. Our Federal laws over rule state laws, they are supposed to? That doesn't even make sense. Nothing makes sense about any of this.
I wish MS would explain it all. He says it is his private business. Well, not really, it is not. It is our laws, made by taxpayers money, so we are all accountable in one way or the other. It is our money that is spent to carry out these laws.

Babble over...Somebody explain it to me.

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 3:38 AM

Jay Wolfson was appointed guardian ad litem despite objections from the family.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Terri_wolfson.htm

Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005
Nightline – The Jay Wolfson Show

Comments from someone that watched the Nightline Interview

I have been watching Jay Wolfson’s interview on Nightline and I am amazed at how biased this guy comes across for someone appointed by the court to supposedly represent Terri. No wonder there has been so much outrage over the way the state court case has been handled and so much objection to the appointment of Wolfson. He was allowed to speak for the entire Nightline episode with no one else on whatsoever. No one was allowed to present the Shindler’s point of view. Wolfson even defended Michael Schiavo’s decision to take a common law wife, while remaining married to Terri. I have watched ABC News long enough to know that I should not expect anything close to “fair and balanced” reporting, but this was truly ridiculous.

Check this out. I know Nicholas Stix. He is an email buddy of mine but we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. He even writes that Terri had a heart attack, there is no medical proof she had a heart attack. He is not gay, but his article showed up there. It is rather mean, if you ask me. Ofcourse, I let him know that too.

http://www.queervisions.com/arch/2005/03/the_hypocrites.html

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 4:18 AM

From a Liberal Blog site about Terri and Michael

http://liberalsforterri.blogspot.com/

Bruce, make sure you read about the former girlfriend of MS that accused him of stalking her when she tried to breakup with him.

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 5:01 AM

Icy,

After reading about Jay Wolfson I wouldn't want him around my poodle. A female colleage accused him of lunging at her and slamming her head into a chair. My my, what company they keep. I think it is in that above link I posted. Also, most PHD's don't off themselves as Medical Doctors on National TV.. I was looking for the Nightline Transcript, cant find it yet.

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 5:06 AM

In April 2001, Cindy Shook (married name Brasher) was interviewed by an investigator working in Terri’s behalf. Unwilling to come forward because of her immense fear of Schiavo, Cindy had to be subpoenaed and was then subsequently deposed on May 8, 2001 to try and learn more regarding her intimate knowledge of Michael Schiavo’s character traits.

Excerpts; May 8, 2001 Deposition:

Cindy Shook describing Schiavo’s possessiveness.

"he’s very jealous. He stalked me at my…at where I worked after I stopped dating…when he would get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be laying in bed in the nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be the most incredibly mean person"

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/06%20-%20CindyShookDepo.htm

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 5:23 AM

Cindy then came to the phone. I initially thanked her for taking the time to speak with Kim. I asked if she would speak to our lawyers regarding this information. She told me absolutely not! I asked her why? She told me that Michael is insane and she is so scared that if she did speak about this, that he would cause harm to her husband and kids. I said to her, “Cindy, if you have information that will save my sister’s life, then it is your responsibility to come forward.” She said that she understood why we were asking her to do this and understood our love for Terri but her children’s safety was more important than what would happen to Terri.

I said to her that we would do anything we could so that Michael would not go near her and her family if she agreed to testify. She said that no one could ever guarantee that Michael, at some point, would not do something to her family, particularly her children. She continually stated that, ‘You have no idea the person (Michael) you’re dealing with.” She explained to me that if she were single she would be there for my family but because of all the money involved, she was convinced, that Michael would retaliate against her family.

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/07%20-%20PhoneConvShookBobJr.htm

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 5:36 AM

Icy,

What do these dead people all have in common?

*Valko and Associates
*Scientology in Pinellas County
*Lisa McPherson-employee Susp foul play-death by dehydration
**Ruth Valko-Burness-employee (48)
**Ellie Blankenship-employee (55)
**Died in Suncoast
Moss-Feaster Funeral Homes & Cremation Services, Serenity Gardens Chapel, Largo.

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/others/untimely.html

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 7:38 AM

Icy,

The deeper I look the more spooked I get. Let's just say I am backing out, real slowly...and then doing a Scooby Doo...and YIKES..getting out of this digging into Florida. I have done my part, I contacted DOJ and FBI and HHS. If nothing happens after that, there's not much a little layman like myself can do. Actually, after what I have just read and researched, I don't want to know.

That place is Spooky-any way you look at it.
You must live in a gated community and wear garlic around your neck. Icy, If I were you, I would pack up and leave that place.

Honest.

[Starving to death] It is a process that only the cruelest tyrants in history have used to ``cleanse'' populations. The patient's skin cracks, their nose bleeds, they vomit as the stomach lining dries out, and they have pangs of hunger and thirst. Starvation is a very painful death to which no one should be deliberately exposed. - Phil Gingrey (R - GA)

We are talking about a greater issue: How shall we be judged as a civil society?... How shall we be judged as a civil society? What kind of government shall we have? As a Federal Government, I believe we have an obligation to step forward and say that we shall protect life. - Patrick McHenry (R - NC)
If we allow this course to continue, and if we stand idly by as this human life expires as a result of government-ordered starvation, we will have lost the moral compass passed down to us by our forefathers.

If we as a Nation subject her to the torture and agony of starving and thirsting to death while her brother, her mother and her father are forced to watch, we will scar our own souls. - Trent Franks (R - AZ)

So, we are now violating the Geneva conventions in Pinellas County on a innocent handicapped woman. GEE, it is so GREAT TO BE AN AMERICAN.

Something is terribly wrong going on down there.

**Poof**

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 9:03 AM

Bruce says-Curiously enough, Michael Schiavo legally contested the appointment of Jay Wolfson, not the Schindlers.

Bruce, check the link I posted...he did not. Why would you say that. It was the Schindlers that didn't want him. I know why too. Who would?

Well, I am talking to myself and hearing black helicopters, not Bruce's, but my own.

Take it easy. So yall next time.

Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 9:29 AM

I myself am stunned about that is happening here in FL, all this judicial corruption, all of a sudden. It must have been boiling under the lid, meaning the corruption, and now it blew up. There will have to be major changes to courts authority. US Congress has do change some laws. The courts are causing lots of problems.
I do not understand why the Schindlers had to go always to the same judge – Greer. Why not request to change the judge? There may be two dozens of judges in that circuit court in Clearwater. And, why wouldn’t Greer disqualify himself from this case? Any normal judge would, he/she would get sick of it. Extreme arrogance, or cruelty? I say he is a nut.

There are things here in FL that I cannot explain. So far, this appeared to be a good state, everything functions, all was in order. The life was good here, and actually still is. I still like it here, but need to watch it.

But, that Mikey Schiavo really screwed up his life for good, his 2 children’s, the girlfriend’s, his 4 brothers. All because of his arrogance. He cannot go anywhere, no vacation, no beach, no restaurants, no shopping. Can’t even go hunting in the woods, someone would mistake him for a hog or a buck. What tragic stupidity.

Had he divorced Terri and turned her over to her parents, he would look a good guy who did all he could. He could marry the girlfriend and live his live with the new family in peace. Then he could write books about the experience.

I am sure this mess will be eventually resolved. When the autopsy report is out, whatever it is, there will be a lot of rancor and things will start happening.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 9, 2005 10:09 AM

Did some reading, Prof. Jay Wolfson's Guardian report, Oct. 2003.
It looks like a lengthy tirade, rehash of the same old stuff that charlatan doctors & shysters write regarding Terri's case. But, when examined closely, this is a can of worms. And, this was written by a Professor and Lawyer!

Here is just one of Jay Wolfson's stunts, quote:

"2. Is there feasibility and value in swallowing tests and swallowing therapy given the totality of circumstances?
a. Yes. There is feasibility and value in swallowing tests and swallowing therapy being administered if the parties agree in advance as to how the results of these tests will be used with respect to the decision about Theresa's future. If the parties do not agree in advance as to how the tests will be used, then the court must be prepared to once again make a final judgment on the matter. Given the history of the case, this would not, in and of itself, assure a resolution, and is not, therefore, deemed either feasible or of value to Theresa Schiavo without prior agreement." -- end of quote.

Wolfson is saying that if the parties (Mikey vs. Schindlers) do not agree ahead on what decision would be taken based on the results of swallow tests, then there is no point in court's ordering the tests. Wolfson knows damn well that Mikey Schiavo would NEVER agree on the tests, so Wolfson is recommending to court not to order the test. As he says - there would be NO VALUE TO TERRI.

Well, well, well, Professor! How about this value: If tests proved that Terri could swallow, then they would not have been allowed to kill her, right? How is this for VALUE!

Now, if this is not a neglect of Guardian duties, then what is?

This is only one sample of that nonsense the Professor wrote. He keeps repeating she is in vegetative state, she had a cardiac arrest, an on and on. None of these are for certain and he certainly has no expertise to make these determinations. With guardians like Wolfson, who needs enemies?

Here is the link to a lot of affidavits, slide down to get to Wolfson:
http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schindler-schiavo-docs-links-page.html

Posted by I. Caganek at April 9, 2005 3:04 PM

Mae Magouirk safe for now. See Tekgnosis for further details.

Tell the Media to report the REAL Schiavo polls!

http://capwiz.com/sicminc/issues/alert/?alertid=7351686&type=ME

http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2005/4/emw226586.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/prweb/20050408/bs_prweb/prweb226586_3

My account, etc. of Terri Schindler's Funeral Mass:

http://tekgnosis.typepad.com

Posted by Juan Schoch at April 9, 2005 3:54 PM

Greer. Why not request to change the judge? There may be two dozens of judges in that circuit court in Clearwater. And, why wouldn’t Greer disqualify himself from this case? Any normal judge would, he/she would get sick of it. Extreme arrogance, or cruelty? I say he is a nut.


Icy,

The Schinder's DID try, on many occasions, to remove Greer from the case. Guess who said "NO"? He did with all his Fist Pounding Power. (Bruce, will search for the said proof if you so demand.)

I didn't know any Probate Court had the power to put anyone to death in that manner. I know the Probate Court Judge in my county personally. He doesn't understand it.

Hey Gab, if you are looking. (((waving)))

Interesting Icey about Wolfson. The more you look, it is just going to upset you more. Personally, I can't take the chance without risk of a stroke. This is in the hands of our Congress and Authorities. Icey, it would take 290 million American's like you and me that would make the laws change. That is how confident I am. Bummer, huh.


Posted by Booster at April 9, 2005 6:31 PM

Booster,
I just saw it, Schindlers asked Greer 5 times, he always refused. What a bastard.

The courts are the cause of the current problems in FL. In every single case, it's the court that screwed up. Like this Jessica last month, Couey was supposed to be in jail. Or Carlie Bruscia, killed in Sarasota last year. This local judge Ripkin refused the probation officer's request to deny probation to put Smith (the killer) back in jail. So Smith is free and kills the girl.

The problem with our courts is becoming more of a issue every day. It will be fixed, no question about it. But, will take time, unfortunately.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 9, 2005 6:56 PM

Posted by: I. Caganek at April 9, 2005 06:56 PM


Hey Icy,

I really enjoy reading your posts! You are very astute and intelligent. Thanks for all that information and your opinion. I bet if the Schindlers had you there it would have never gone down like that. Have you written your Congressman? DOJ? HHS? FBI? By the way, skip Rep. Everette Rice, he is the one that knows Judge Greer and hired Michael Schivao to work in his jail and Vote No. I understand he also sits on the damn board at Suncoast Hospice too. Can you believe that?

I see today is..ahhhhhhh...Day 17th..No warrant or arrest on Michael Schiavo for contempt of court. WOW...what privilege that Sadist has.

If this happened to my sister I would have gone straight to Health and Human Services and told them what was going on. Since Terri was not terminal. They would have had to act. They sure wouldn't pay unless she was. Then I would have gone to the FBI and showed them their own Federal Law. Or maybe HHS would have made that call for me. It's their job.

Is every body stoned in this country? Sometimes I wonder.

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 5:22 AM

Living wills won’t necessarily help you.]
SUNNY ST. PETERSBURG HAS A DARK SIDE

“Unfortunately, these same attorneys also funnel the unwary, unprepared and unprotected into a system that strips them of their rights, their property and their freedom. They tear up or nullify Powers of Attorney, LIVING WILLS and Health care Surrogate arrangements. The right to confiscate all assets, sell all property and dispose of all real estate is put in the hands of a “court appointed” guardian. [emphasis mine]”

[Terri’s judge Greer is mentioned in the next article.]

GUARDING THE GUARDIANS
THE PINELLAS COUNTY JUDICIARY PUSHES MORE SECRECY SURROUNDING GUARDIANSHIPS. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LETS THE SUN SHINE IN.

By Francis X. Gilpin, Associate Editor
© Gulf Coast Business Review. Reprinted by permission of Publisher.
(Tampa edition) - 4/30/2004

Melton says the assets of wards are being transferred into pooled trusts that operate imprudently outside the supervision of the courts. He adds that the real estate of wards is being sold at below-market prices to land trusts, whose beneficial owners don't have to be disclosed
. . . . .

The accountings are generally sealed in most Florida court jurisdictions, out of respect for the privacy of wards. Hillsborough opens up inventories and accountings. But Melton says PINELLAS JUDGES not only keep those court records hidden from public view, but they are anxious to extend the cloak of secrecy to the audits that his office performs. [emphasis mine]

"When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and fraud," Melton told the task force.
. . . . .
DeBlaker : . . "This is an area ripe for fraud and where most fraud abuse has in fact occurred."

[The stonewalling below happened to Terri’s parents: They were barred from seeing her for 50 days when they complained she was neglected.]

WHAT IS GUARDIANSHIP?

AARP: The Magazine, January/February 2004: "...greedy professional guardians can wreak havoc on a far larger scale.

Want to fight it? Call Elder Abuse. Nothing. Call the Police: "It's a Civil Case". No one listens to your plight. The guardian will use your money to fight to keep you as their "ward". Your family wants a different guardian? THE GUARDIAN IS LIKELY TO ACCUSE YOUR FAMILY OF ABUSE AND PREVENT THEM ACCESS TO YOU. This is a standard ploy. Judges frequently rule in favor of the guardian, even if that guardian has a trail of civil cases and very suspicious activity.[emphasis mine]

[Terri is just one person being killed in the corrupt guardianship machine. The methods described below sound very similar to what happened to her. If I remember correctly she also was declared indigent. Judge Greer allowed her put on medicaid, imprisoned for years in a hospice under Felos’ control even though as someone else previously pointed out she was not terminal.]

WHITE COLLAR CRIME IN PINELLAS COUNTY
GUARDIANSHIP: EXPLOITING VULNERABLE SENIOR CITIZENS

Wait till they sell your house for pennies on the dollar. (They will have put you in a nursing home. . . [Or worse yet, as in Terri’s case, Hospice!] )
. . . .

But you don’t need the money anyway. It is a liability when they put you on Medicaid. Guardians don’t have to “spend down” to put you on Medicaid. They give your money, with court approval, to a fellow in this area whose background will curl your hair.

However bizarre that sounds, it is the truth. Yes, the rest of your assets go into an irrevocable trust and this guy decides what to do with that money. All pretense of monitoring your guardianship is removed with this maneuver. The guardian and her attorney no longer have to bother to account for anything. They can go to him to get paid for all their “care” for you and bypass the pretense of court monitoring altogether. No one is permitted to check on the money which goes into that trust. It says so right on the trust agreement. Isn’t that nice! For those who get very, very wealthy thereby.

About this time, you are now an “indigent case” and have outlived your usefulness. There are unscrupulous doctors who step in here to provide an ending to your plight. These doctors are hand picked by the guardian. They prescribe something which will put an end to your problems. There are plenty of drugs which serve to produce the result your guardian wants while appearing to look relatively harmless.

They have milked you dry and you are now a real annoyance. Bye, Bye.

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HOSPICE PATIENTS ALLIANCE: PREVENTING FINANCIAL EXPLOITATION OF THE ELDERLY, PATIENTS AND TERMINALLY ILL

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“For those who are victimized by mis-used Guardianships, the struggle to recover control over their loved one’s very life, health care and decision-making often fails completely, sometimes leaving the family in financial ruin and the patient sometimes involuntarily EUTHANIZED.” [emphasis mine]

Reprinted by permission of publisher
Hospice Patients Alliance.


http://justiceforfloridaseniors.org/abusenfraud/index.php?p=11
Felos is part of this set up.

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 5:39 AM

Yea, I know. I also remember that little girl they lost and never did find. The DCFS foster child. Unreal.


Wonder where Bruce is? Maybe he realized we weren't just patting each other on the back. He is likely drawing up his final wishes and getting them notarized and running an FBI check on is wife.

(Grin :)Bruce)

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 5:52 AM

George Soros has re-assigned B.W., since he has blown his cover. (LOL) He can be usefull to MoveOn.org somewhere else, for a while.

There is a post on another thread here, with link to some unbelievable information and audio.
I just copy that post here, so we do not have to go look for it, here is the post:
-----------
Schiavo, a graduate EMT, says that he knows that his wife can feel pain.
Deposition Transcript:

http://www.JudgeGeorgeGreer.com/pain.html

-------------
This is the info we need, to pull it together. So far, the information is too scattered. We need to focus. Any judges, lawyers out there? I am sure. So, let's get the important info together. We can use your help here. Anybody can shed light on why Michael Schiavo has not been arrested for contempt? Was ordered to notify the Schindlers.
Or, how come Jay Wolfson has not been charged with neglect of guardian duties?
Gotta run now.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 8:10 AM

By a mistake, I didn't copy the entire post, I missed the first sentence, which is important because of direct reference to page. The entire post:

>>>> I hope they don't leave out Michael Schiavo's November 19, 1993 deposition, page 88, in which Michael Schiavo, a graduate EMT, says that he knows that his wife can feel pain.

Deposition Transcript:

http://www.JudgeGeorgeGreer.com/pain.html


Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 8:23 AM

ONE MORE CORRECTION, THIS IS THE LINK TO AUDIO, CHECK THIS SITE:

http://judgegeorgegreer.com/

WHOA!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 9:01 AM

Here is an information from
http://judgegeorgegreer.com/

"A hospice that enrolls Non-Terminal Patients and bills Medicare, Medicaid or a private insurer for a non-terminal patient, violates their contract to provide services for the terminally ill, and commits fraud.

Thus, Theresa Schindler-Schiavo had to die, without any contrary non-terminal diagnosis, to protect Attorney George J. Felos, Judge George W. Greer, and The Hospice Of The Florida Suncoast, Inc, from any liability.

In another case, a family member was reportedly offered $219,000.00 to "go away." "
--- end of excerpt.

If the above is true, than the ghouls HAD TO KILL TERRI! Otherwise, if Terri lived, THE HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC., would have to return the money and there would also be legal problems, such as FRAUD.

Here is the current corporate Board of Directors of The Hospice of The Florida Suncoast, Inc., that operates Woodside Hospice:
WELCH, CLARENCE 1640 27TH AVENUE SOUTHSAINT PETERSBURG FL 33712 VD
LABYAK, MARY 300 EAST BAY DRLARGO FL P
MILETICH, SHARON 1840 FOREST WOOD DRIVECLEARWATER FL 33759 CD
WHETSTONE, CHARLES 2111 DREW STREETCLEARWATER FL 33765 TD
PATRICK BARMORE 2913 WESTON TERRPALM HARBOR FL 34685 SD
ETTEN, MARY JEAN 7024 HIBISCUS AVE SOST. PETERSBURG FL

Booster,
I've checked the hospice records all down to 1996, that fellah Rice does not appear. Felos does, though. That Mary Labyak has been on the board since the records show.
That Professor of Pubic Health Jay Wolfson does not appear on the board.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 10:12 AM

Let's all read this:

http://justiceforfloridaseniors.org/abusenfraud/index.php?p=17

Booster,
what is the name of that "GA" agency, do you know?
This Pinellas Park looks like a creepy place.
All Pinellas County looks like a creepy place, where ghouls roam.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 3:01 PM

"A hospice that enrolls Non-Terminal Patients and bills Medicare, Medicaid or a private insurer for a non-terminal patient, violates their contract to provide services for the terminally ill, and commits fraud."

Icy,

It would take a dingbat not to see this is Fraud. The President, Congress know it is fraud and so does HHS.

This is a time when you need to check under your car before you get in.

I have a long time friend that is CEO and President of another Hospice in a faraway state.
He told me it is common knowledge that Suncoast is a mockery of Hospice and what they do is despicable. He is the one that confirmed to me that Felos was a Board Member when Terri was committed against her will. I got the information on Rice and Jay Wolfson as sitting board members from another Terri site. So, there is no actual proof. Strike that from my record of protests then. I still believe they were somehow connected. Ghoul Felos is calls himself "a volunteer". Maybe that is what Rice and Wolfson are. No record of volunteers.

According to the Empire Journal, the AG Crist has already been accused of covering up this case a few years ago. Have you ever read their site. They are out of NY, they have nothing to gain by lying about anything. Their main goal is to expose corruption around the country. Read all their related Terri information. What I would like to find out is, WHO owns this HOSPICE? Can you check that?

http://www.theempirejournal.com/03010501_prior_schiavo_abuse_allegations_covered_up_by_ag_Crist.htm

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 3:21 PM

Icy,

I have a long time friend that is CEO and President of another Hospice in a faraway state. He has stepped forward but not in such a public way. Many are.
He told me it is common knowledge that Suncoast is a mockery of Hospice and what they do is despicable. He is the one that confirmed to me that Felos was a Board Member when Terri was committed against her will. I got the information on Rice and Jay Wolfson as sitting board members from another Terri site. So, there is no actual proof. Strike that from my record of protests then. I still believe they were somehow connected. Ghoul Felos calls himself "a volunteer". Maybe that is what Rice and Wolfson are. No record of volunteers.

According to the Empire Journal, the AG Crist has already been accused of covering up this case a few years ago. Have you ever read their site. They are out of NY, they have nothing to gain by lying about anything. Their main goal is to expose corruption around the country. Read all their related Terri information. What I would like to find out is, WHO owns this HOSPICE? Can you check that?

We have a former KKK member and recruiter, filibustering on the floor in DC, what can we expect for a response to help? Ignorance reins Supreme.. No way to beat brains. Who is going to "bloviate," for a brain damaged handicapped woman that was put to death by force and corruption. Not many. The only hope the Republican Party has left is to assign that Special Prosecutor and send him down to Pinellas County. If they don't, just goes to show you how deep and untouchable this really is. That's my opinion and I am sticking with it. I cannot believe Schiavo has not been arrested for contempt of court. There have been many occasions when he was in contempt of court, he should have been removed as Guardian from Terri's care, just by his inaction of filing reports, etc. Greer NEVER charged him for contempt of court. That would mean, he would be forced to remove him as her Guardian. Look what they are doing today with her ashes? Sheez!! Blatant and loud. Like I said, how many people are stoned in America?

http://www.theempirejournal.com/03010501_prior_schiavo_abuse_allegations_covered

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 3:53 PM

Icy,

What GA? What do you mean? Ref the Guardian Abuse post?

Start at the beginning. This is the retroactive reconstruction of the microfilm copy of the original Pinellas Police Department incident report.

http://www.hospicepatients.org/police-report-02-25-90-terri-schiavo-collapse.pdf

It should have been ruled inadmissible because the microfilm itself was the best evidence. The police could have done a little editing to cover their own negligence in their investigation. Also it was not sworn testimorny subject to prosecution for perjury.

Note the time of call is missing. The paramedics reported Terri was found face down. Why? Who would leave a loved one, much less their wife, in medical distress face down?


Why didn't Michael Schiavo turn her face up and around and administer CPR? He KNEW HOW. He calls her DAD first, does not call 911. Her DAD tells him "to hang up the phone, (at that time he should have added MORON) and CALL 911. I will be right over." IT WAS BOBBY THAT CALLED 911! Per the Shindlers. Who do you believe now?

How many minutes does it take for one to go brain dead? 9-12 mins you are brain dead. 4 mins, you can survive with LUCK. It was a small apartment when he heard her FALL, he wasn't dashing around a mansion. The man was unemployed at the time and suffering from depression and under Shrink care! He was also pissed that Terri had a 80 dollar hair do, paid with her own money, per her best friend.

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 4:37 PM

SOS to any Computer Geek. I cannot read my PDF files now. I click on and I get word pad with gobble gook. What can I do to fix this? It never happened before. I need a new computer, suspect it is petering out on me, but can I fix this myself? Icy, if I do drop out of "site", that means I am on the way to the store to buy a new computer. May take a couple of days. My computer is screaming..I am too old to carry all this information.

Any help you can render would be so helpful. :)

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 4:58 PM

"IT WAS BOBBY THAT CALLED 911!"

Strike that, mistake. Per Schindlers it was MS that called 911, after they told him to. Just on gut instinct, I am sure all three did. The most important first call, is suspect, at it's best and the most important one.

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 5:16 PM

"SOS to any Computer Geek. I cannot read my PDF files now. I click on and I get word pad with gobble gook."

This may not be much of a problem, just messed up software. Computer is OK. Assuming you use Windows:
Click on START button (left lower corner), click on SETTING, click on CONTROL PANEL, click on ADD AND REMOVE PROGRAMS. In the window that pops, there should be ADOBE ACROBAT listed. If it is not there, it got somehow deleted. Even if it is there, it could be messed up. In any case go to Adobe web site and download "ACROBAT READER" program, it is free. This can be also downloaded from many sites where you download ".pdf" format files.

Unrelated, get also anti-spy program, called Ad-Aware program from Lavasoft. They have a free version (good enough) and there is also professional version for some $40.- or so.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 6:18 PM

Quote:
"What GA? What do you mean? Ref the Guardian Abuse post?"

There is an article about one large Pinellas Park agency providing guardian services, but they do not want to name this outfit. They use name "Guardianship Agency" in the article. The article is titled: "Sunny St. Petersburg Has a Dark Side. Looting and Abuse in a Guardianship Agency." This is the link, you have posted it here earlier:

http://justiceforfloridaseniors.org/abusenfraud/index.php?p=17

They refer to one woman, who founded and runs the agency. I think it could by this Mary Labyak. I checked on her, she is on board of 20 (twenty) hospice and guardian corporations! Typically, she is the President of those.

All considered, this corruption in Pinellas County is so huge that only a Special Prosecutor can unravel it. This may not be so easy.
But, if Woodside Hospice billed bills Medicare, Medicaid or a private insurer, as most likely they did, than this ia a straight-forward fraund and any local prosecutor should be able to handle it. This would be easier to start, so this might be the beginning. I do not know if a local prosecutor can investigate Greer, this may require a higher-up. The Special Prosecutor can then get in.
I think the picture is clearing up.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 10, 2005 7:07 PM

Microsoft has a free Antispyware in Beta form that I've been running for about 2 months. I've used PestPatrol, paid version, and I like the MS program better. I've also used the free version of Ad-aware. You can download it from Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=321cd7a2-6a57-4c57-a8bd-dbf62eda9671&displaylang=en

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 10, 2005 8:33 PM

I've been reading the postings all weekend, checking out URLS's and information that's being posted. Weekends tend to be my busy time, since I'm too poor and overtaxed to retire.

I'm also looking for my copies of The Warren Commission Report, Jim Garrison's book "On The Trail Of The Assassins", and Mark Lane's "Rush to Judgment". I haven't seen such extensive Conspiracy Theories as I've seen here since the Kennedy Assassination.

By the way, I DO NOT think that John Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald, and I DO think that the CIA and Cubans were responsible, as well as others.

But in the end, John Kennedy is dead, and my time is better spent concentrating on my family and friends and DOING positive things.

I value your information, even if I find your opinions and conclusions suspect.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 10, 2005 8:48 PM

Icy,

Thanks for the tips. I have the Old Berlin Wall on my computer. Will redownload adobe.:)

Call this guy up tommorrow and ask him if he wrote that article? If you don't want to, I will. “When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and fraud.”

He would know who the GA is. Geez, if he is who he is, and this is still going on, and he is still alive and breathing to write about it. That is shocking.

— Robert Melton, Pinellas County, Clerk of the Circuit Court, Chief Internal Auditor.

More shock. This man apparently wears a bullet proof vest to work. Thank You God for this True American with GUTS~!

Check out their Schiavogate page.
I have yet to see any of THIS in the news:

Particularly critical of the way that the Sixth Circuit Court judges handle guardianships is Robert W. Melton, chief deputy director internal audit division, certified public accountant, certified fraud examiner with the Pinellas County Circuit Court. During public hearings conducted by the Florida Guardian Task Force appointed by Florida legislators to address guardianship reform, Melton testified that his office was being “stonewalled” in their attempts to audit guardianship...

Melton told the task force that “In Pinellas County, attempts are being made to limit the clerk’s authority”, a county where George Greer is the Administrative Judge of the Probate Division...

Melton told the task force that the assets of wards are being transferred into pooled trusts that he says operate imprudently outside the supervision of the courts. He adds that the real estate of wards is being sold at below-market prices to land trusts whose owners don’t have to be disclosed...

“When we have both guardians and judges trying to keep auditors out, we have a system ripe for corruption and fraud”, Melton said...

Former chief Judge F. Dennis Alvarez of the 13th Circuit, Hillsborough County, says that Pinellas County has historically resisted guardianship reform. Perhaps that’s because there’s big money to be made among lawyers and other players in guardianships---particularly in the disposition of assets of wards including real and personal property including real estate, jewelry and antiques in addition to the guardian fees.

Melton says that Pinellas judges, which include George Greer, not only keep court records hidden from public view but are anxious to extend the cloak of secrecy to the audits. In February, 2004, Melton recommended to Chief Judge David Demers that he take a closer look at guardianships in the Sixth Circuit...

While conducting audits of guardianship reports, the Pinellas clerk’s office discovered serious irregularities...

...Greer has refused to appoint a new guardian ad litem [for Terri Schiavo], acting in the role himself---prohibited by Canon 3 of the state Code of Judicial Conduct. No judge may serve as a guardian unless the ward is a member of his own family...

When complaints are made to law enforcement agencies such as in the Schiavo case, officials such as McCabe---with a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer, and former Sheriff Everett Rice who also had a prohibited conflict of interest with Greer as well as being a member of the board of directors of the Hospice Foundation of Florida Suncoast, a subsidiary of the corporation operating the hospice where Terri Schiavo is a resident, claim it’s a civil matter being handled by the courts...

Politically connected attorneys who stand to profit handsomely from guardianship fees are involved with alleged guardianship abuse. In Greer’s 2004 reelection campaign, a massive $144,000 was raised in campaign contributions, said to be the largest amount ever raised in a judicial campaign. More than half of those contributors were attorneys----attorneys whose practices in real estate, probate, wills and elder law stand to profit greatly from guardianships to which they are court appointed by probate judges such as George W. Greer.

These are just a few excerpts from the Sciavogate page. Read the entire thing. The allegations presented there are absolutely shocking and bone chilling!


Read More Icy. I already knew this but not sure you do.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/3/25/230207.shtml


http://www.justiceforfloridaseniors.org/gulfcoast-2.html

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 9:17 PM

Hi Bruce,

I missed you buddy, really did. Well, I am going to find out how much of a conspiracy this really is. I will call Mr. Robert Melton tomorrow and ask him if he has been reporting/writing these articles and reporting to Florida Legislature, as it is reported. Google his name. He is a BIG SHOT in Pinellas county. If this is true, and Greer is still sitting on he bench, we need to go on National RED ALERT. I think this issue has gone before Congress, it is coming back to me, vaguely. In 2003.

Terri Schindler suffered cruelly and DIED because of this. No wonder the Republicans are shutting up about it and hoping it will blow over.

Bruce, I wouldn't let anyone starve my dog of water and food for 13 days with out calling the cops on them. This is AN AMERICAN!! Not a PLANT!

What is wrong with you?


Soros is a crook, he was found guilty somewhere over seas, golden moment, can't remember. He likes to overthrow tiny little governments and steal their money. He is another NUT in the bowl. He should be your worse nightmare, if could get his fingers in our National Revenue we would be up the creek with a splintered paddle. .

Bruce, I have no idea who killed Kennedy. I don't know anything anymore.

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 9:50 PM

by: Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 10, 2005 08:48 PM


Thank you for your tips on the software Bruce. Appreciate it very much. About Kennedy, I am not old enough to remember all the details when he was killed. I was sitting in Tripoli Libya, as an 7 tear old Army brat, when he was killed. I do remember my parents crying, so I cried too. I once watched him in a parade as a young child drive by in his car. I was very young but I still remember the significance of it all. I can remember as far back as when I was 3 years old.

Hinckley tried to do the same thing to Reagen to impress a chick. Who knows why Oswald did it, or not but they caught him with the rifles in his hand. The bullets matched. His wife was a Russian. So, who knows, anything. The secret is in the grave and so is Jack Ruby.

Posted by Booster at April 10, 2005 10:33 PM

I've just sent an e-mail question & complaint about the large guardian agency in Pinellas Park, to Robert W. Melton, Chief Internal Auditor, Pinellas County.
This is the link to their fraud report page:

http://www.pinellasclerk.org/aspInclude2/ASPInclude.asp?pageName=reportfraud.htm

I have included my name, telephone, address and e-mail, so I hope to get answer.
The problem here is that they do not really have to answer. This particular fraud in not really by the Pinellas County government.

This is the link to Pinellas County gov:
http://www.pinellascounty.org/

This corruption is so huge, that most likely no one inside Pinellas County will be able to resolve it. It has to go higher, state & federal level.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 11, 2005 8:07 AM

Icy,

Thank you Icy. You are a champ~! I am going to try to give him a jingle. I am also going downtown to my local office of Health and Human Services to file a complaint. I may sit in a chair for 7 hours waiting. (The place is always packed, take your number and sit down.)

I am crushed at the picture that is clearing up. Gonzales must appoint a special prosecutor, it is the only American thing to do. I see the powers to be are trying to get Delay to step down. My personal opinion on him doesn't matter, but at least he fought for Terri and admitted to the world, those Judges were wrong.

See you back here later. (PDF working fine. Had to download again, thanks.)

Posted by Booster at April 11, 2005 8:25 AM

Check these two articles from:
http://www.theamericanvoice.com/main.htm

* Col. Gritz Will Arrive In Pinellas Park Later Today (March 16).
Col. Bo Gritz has issued a Citizen's Arrest, arresting Pinellas Circuit Judge George Greer and Terri Schiavo’s estranged husband, Michael Schiavo, plus anyone else who would aid or abet in removing Terri’s feeding tube.

* The Murder of Terri "Schiavo" Schindler.
Lots of e-mail addresses for oficials in Ghoul City (Pinellas Park).

Posted by I. Caganek at April 11, 2005 9:14 AM

Here below is a list of hospice corporations or similar type of activity firms, where one Mary Labyak is a Director. Actually, she is also always the President of these. Isn't this weird?
She might be the one infamous Hospice President the Pinellas Chief Internal Auditor refers to.
Just re-read this background article:
http://justiceforfloridaseniors.org/abusenfraud/index.php?p=17

Why so many hospices in Pinellas County? Why always the same President? This looks like a heavy duty stuff to tackle. Something needs to hit the proverbial fan.
Officer Name: Entity Name:

LABYAK, MARY THE HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC.
LABYAK, MARY THE HOSPICE CARE INSTITUTE, INC.
LABYAK, MARY FOR AIDS CARE TODAY, INC.
LABYAK, MARY THE HOSPICE INSTITUTE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC.
LABYAK, MARY HOSPICE CARE, INC.
LABYAK, MARY THE HOSPICE CARE INSTITUTE, INC.
LABYAK, MARY SUNCOAST SOLUTIONS, L.L.C.
LABYAK, MARY AIDS SERVICE ASSOCIATION OF PINELLAS, INC.
LABYAK, MARY EMPACT RESOURCE SERVICE CENTER, INC.
LABYAK, MARY HOSPICE SYSTEMS, INC.
LABYAK, MARY FOR AIDS CARE TODAY, INC.
LABYAK, MARY PROJECT GRACE, INC.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 11, 2005 6:07 PM

Hi Icy,

Good work. I filed a complaint today, "condoned medicare fraud" along with a few other things. I see Mary Labyak has no personal life. Something very suspect with that list. WHO OWNS THIS HOSPICE?
I had a end of friendship fight with my Hospice CEO and President friend when I demanded he call a press conference to exclude his Hospice from Suncoast.ZIt was good advice. He detests Mary Labyak and knows they are wrong but he insisted this wouldn't hurt the other Hospice org around the county. I know he is wrong. I wouldn't let me dog go to one after this. Any friend or relative that puts me in one, I will come back and haunt them. I told him Hospice is supposed to assist people when they lay dying, not KILL them. The blatant abuse of this all, is unbelievable. It is against the law to rip Medicare off. I guess they just keep slapping these people on the wrists, over and over and over and over and over again. We could probably feed a small country with the money that was paid out for Terri's care in her "terminal" state.
Icy, did you notice that article above said Rice was on a subsidiary board of Hospice. I figured it had to be true. A subsidiary, huh. They got them all over that county and state.

I have done everything possible that I can do. Let's just say, I am putting away my I love America Tshirts until I see AJ Gonzales appoint and send someone down there. I hope it is not Ken Star. He said, the courts did the right thing. What is it with these people. They talk without even knowing the facts, that is obvious. The Justice thumbed his nose at the Land of Laws. He ordered his county law enforcement to disobey the law. The list is so long. I told my Senator today, "I QUIT" as an American ..unless...some Justice is served for Terri Schindler. My Congressman is working on it. The last letter I sent about Terri to my Senator...I got a letter back today telling me all about" his stand of social security". Not a word about what I wrote in my letter. It was a issue generated letter. When I was running up my telephone bill to save Terri, I talked to the youngest, dumbest aids I have ever talked to in my life. I was so upset. I guess you have to learn somewhere, but I rather than be at McDonalds. The rudest ones I talked to were in Florida. The nicest ones I talked to, were in my State. I wrote Bill Frist, he is not my Senator, but I wrote him anyway. I had deep respect for him...until.........I heard him say, the courts did the right thing. The only one that did their job was Judge Gerald Bard Tjoflat, Federal Circuit Judge, Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. He was the one that did his JOB. I am going to send him a thank you note and tell him what a great bright star and credit he is to our Judicial System.

I am tired and have to go back to work tomorrow. Will check back with you later. Keep us all posted. Thank you Champ, you are my Hero Icy~! God loves yah and so do I.

No, could not get through to Robert Melton. I got frustrated and hung up. I got the run around. What else is new.

Later Icy.


(((((waving up in Heaven at Terri Schindler-I miss you!))))

Posted by Booster at April 11, 2005 10:02 PM

Col. Gritz Will Arrive In Pinellas Park Later Today

The Hero Green Beret that ended the crisis at Ruby Ridge. That is exactly what that man did. But not soon enough to stop some from being killed. Boy, was that one muck up at the hands of the Dems. What I am hearing out of the news today, they are going nuts, rabid. They embarrass America, don't care about anything but themselves. They are trying to tear down Delay and want to Impeach Bush. AHs~!

Night


Posted by Booster at April 11, 2005 10:17 PM

I meant to add, ref Bo. I read 30 (THIRTY) Pinellas police officers cuffed him as he tried to take water to Terri. The cops were violating another state and federal law they are supposed to uphold. That is a crime in America. Try it at home and these same cops will hogtie you and drag you to jail and charge you with attempted battery and assault and attempted murder.


Sheeeeeeeeez

Posted by Booster at April 11, 2005 10:23 PM

Woodside Hospice, where Terri was put to death, is a part of THE HOSPICE FOUNDATION OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC. Mary Labyak is the President. She runs both, along with many other hospices.

It is very frustrating to hear over and over “the courts did the right thing”. This is too broad issue, too broad question. Maybe this should not be the question in argument. Rather, the big question needs to be broken to specific issues that are easier to investigate and answer. Such as:
· If hospice should admit only patients that are terminally ill, why was Terri in hospice? She was not terminally ill.
· Were any Medicare, Medicaid or private insurer’s money used to pay for Terri’s expenses in hospice?
· Who were Terri’s guardians and during what time?
· Have any of Terri’s guardians neglected any requirement of guardian duty or responsibility?
· Did Terri have a primary care physician who would speak on her behalf? If not, why not?

Once these questions are answered, then it will be obvious whether courts have done right or wrong.
It should be in the interest of all parties involved in Terri’s case to resolve the questions to be cleared of any wrongdoing. So, they should volunteer the information. It is very easy for Michael Schiavo, George Felos, George Greer, Mary Labyak, and others to find appropriate way of response. Just tell somebody. Until such time, their involvement in killing of Terri is a fair assumption.

This site formulates the right questions best, the site is very well structured:
http://judgegeorgegreer.com/

Posted by I. Caganek at April 12, 2005 8:58 AM

Booster, I noticed that you said that you ran up a phonebill doing your research. I signed up for SunRocket Internet phone service about a month ago, and I've been really pleased. You need broadband for it, so I don't know if you're using dialup or what. It's unlimited calling throughout the US and Canada for $16.59/mo, paid yearly, ALL TAXES AND FEES INCLUDED, The usual Caller ID, Call Forwarding and Voicemail, and a $3.00/mo allowance on international calls; my inlaws use it to call "home" to Hungary for $0.07/min. I use it for ALL of my outgoing calls and have set up my published number on bare-bones POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) for a few dollars a month.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 12, 2005 10:57 AM

Why do you both hate Democrats so much?

And for what reason on earth would you defend a dishonest politician like Tom DeLay for? I hear you rail against corruption yet you defend an arrogant man who travels on the tab of Special Interest Groups that he supports, looks the other way while his wife and daughter collect a half-million dollars from his PAC Funding Program, and may singlehandly restore the Republican Party to Minority Status in the Congressional Elections of '06! Tom Daschle was an embarrassment because of his Hubris; Tom Delay is no better.

Even Rick Santorum, my own embarrassment of a Junior Senator, is calling for an "explanation" from DeLay. But then, Santorum is up for reelection in '06, probably against the Pro-life son of one of Pennsylvania's favorite governors, and he's already reeling from the exposure that while he resides in Maryland, he has a sub-$100,000 home near Pittsburgh that he bought a few years ago, and the local School District has spent more than $1,000,000 on Internet Charter School Tuition for his 5 children who reside in Maryland! He's moving toward the Center as fast as he can hoping to head off Bob Casey Jr., because he's not going to be able to count on Democratic Pro-life Voters to reelect him as he has in the past.

A crook's a crook regardless of Party. The Republican Party has controlled Congress for 10 years, and the Whole Shebang for 4. How are things different?

When you stop being Partisan and bashing people for their political affiliation, AND accept the fact that in a two-party system "We the People" do best when we're well represented and NEITHER party has total control. BOTH parties need a regular housecleaning to keep them honest.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 12, 2005 11:20 AM

who is gabriel simars to judge people , when he has not been the nicest person in the world , and maybe he should consider taking up religion , cause it might do him some good

Posted by beready at April 12, 2005 12:07 PM

Here is an part from article in:
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com
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How "Terri's case" was Handled in Argentina.
-contributed by: Anna Nordin (received via email)

>From "La Nation" (Buenos Aires newspaper) Sunday March 27, 2005 translated to english by P.M.

The Supreme court of the province of Buenos Aires recently resolved a case of a 38 year old woman hydrated and fed by feeding tube in stomach who is otherwise healthy and breathing on her own, coughing and blinking. The husband asked for the disconnection of the feeding tube and the parents and brother were opposed. The court ruled in favor of keeping the woman alive and denied the husband's request to have the feeding tube removed.

The judge ruled that the feeding tube was NOT an extra-ordinary means of keeping a patient alive and said they (the court) had an obligation to ensure a person was kept alive wherever possible when only ordinary means of support are required. Our judicial system has no rules or laws other than those that defend life.
-------------

This judge was normal and ruled that way. Judge Greer is a nut and ruled accordingly.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 12, 2005 7:11 PM

#1. If hospice should admit only patients that are terminally ill, why was Terri in hospice? She was not terminally ill.


#2. Were any Medicare, Medicaid or private insurer’s money used to pay for Terri’s expenses in hospice?

That is their written policy and the status of patients is reported by the quarter to the Federal Government. A Doctor signs these reports. Sometimes these reports don't get filed in a timely manner. Doctors can make the assessment and a medical determination that the patient remain over 90 days. We are talking about Five years. Boy, are these people in big trouble with the Feds. HHS has already gone after them for doing this over the years. Let's just say, I am most certain, that policy is going to change after the Murder of Terri Schindler. It is reported she was admitted illegally from the get go by the word of her parents and attorney. I believe her parents over Ghoul and G anyday. Obviously, that is true. So you see, Suncoast is actually a mockery of Hospice org around the country. Today during my lunch break a friend and I road over to the local Hospice and discussed this issue in full detail. They do not have a patient on the record, in 27 years, of being there more than Five (5)months. That should tell you something. Five months was the extreme. I don't know if private insurance paid. She had a good job before her "incident" and it was reported G lived off her SSI after her disability checks from her employer ran out. That is what has been posted on the net. Knowing how insurance works, it is unlikely that G would be able to cover her under his county employment insurance at the Jail. As a rule, insurance companies do not cover brain damaged handicapped people after the fact. I could be mistaken, but I highly doubt it. I don't know what their insurance arrangements are. As a taxpayer, I have the right to know if she was on federally funded medicare. Ghoul Felos can go fry his own brains on his bad flashbacks from his acid drop days, and "be ready". We are on to you, man. We..we...we...we...we...can read your soul and spirit and it didn't take a seance to figure it out or a voice from God. It took brains to know it and the law that will show IT, to you without ruffling a single hair on your head.


#3. Who were Terri’s guardians and during what time? Have any of Terri’s guardians neglected any requirement of guardian duty or responsibility?

Justice was one, illegally, I might add, he was not related to her by blood. This was reported by Melton, himself. The other one was her estranged spouse that was living with another woman, the one that asked the justice to deny her food and water orally that caused her to die. It was court ordered and her swallow testign was ruled out by a PHD. HONK! Yes, the G, has been reported by her parents, their attorney, and on the net that he did not file timely G reports which would bring him in contempt of court, with consequences that he be removed as her guardian. The guardian did not receive a slap on the wrist, nor was he removed from his THRONE. That is just one example of his lack of care and well being.

· Did Terri have a primary care physician who would speak on her behalf? If not, why not?

She was denied her 14th Constitutional Amendment, what do you think. God knows her parents went bankrupt trying.

Posted by Booster at April 12, 2005 9:21 PM

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 12, 2005 11:20 AM

I don't hate Democrats Bruce. I have voted for them before but found out it was a mistake. Clinton stripped out military to the bone and caused millions of our military to lose their jobs after 10-20 years of service. Clinton didn't have the grip in his hand or the ability to slaute them in a proper way. I used to choke when I watched him try while he was in the WH.
Bill Clinton is a very intelligent kind man but he has his own POV and I do not trust him or his track record. I wonder about those that died while working under him and I do not appreciate him pardoning Marc Rich or any of significant others he pardoned, in his last two hours in office. I suspect he is hoping to be Head of the UN one day and I see him working his way there. If I could trust him, this would be great, but I don't trust him.

These are ethics allegations against Tom Delay. What politican has not hired their family to work on his agenda. Name one. I agree, we need to clean house. This is not the best America can do.
It is very embarrassing. I want the Elephants and the Jackass's to work together, for the good of America. They are like unruly children in school. Remind me of the Welcome Back Kotter days. The (R) have more class, imho. You don't hear them calling the (D) "evil" or "brain dead". That is what Deaniac spews in his rabid rants.

There are sheep in wolfs clothing, that are shifting to center for their own delusional idea, they may run for Prez someday. You know who I think is going to try to run again in 2008. John Edwards, the billionare trial lawyer. Just what we need, more freaking lawyers. A filthy rich trial lawyer as the President, give me a break. It will never happen. If you knew the cases that made him rich, you would hurl.

Posted by Booster at April 12, 2005 9:38 PM

Booster, I noticed that you said that you ran up a phonebill doing your research. I signed up for SunRocket Internet phone service about a month ago, and I've been really pleased. You need broadband for it, so I don't know if you're using dialup or what. It's unlimited calling throughout the US and Canada for $16.59/mo, paid yearly, ALL TAXES AND FEES INCLUDED, The usual Caller ID, Call Forwarding and Voicemail, and a $3.00/mo allowance on international calls; my inlaws use it to call "home" to Hungary for $0.07/min. I use it for ALL of my outgoing calls and have set up my published number on bare-bones POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) for a few dollars a month.

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 12, 2005 10:57 AM

Thanks Bruce, I appreciate that information and will check it out. It used to be free to make calls on the internet about five years ago. I called friends in Germany and Canada. They cut that out, for obvious reasons. I don't have a problem with the money, really. I will spend pleny of more to see Justice served for Terri Schindler. I would have rather died in her place, than see her die that way. That is how I feel about it.

Posted by Booster at April 12, 2005 9:48 PM

who is gabriel simars to judge people , when he has not been the nicest person in the world , and maybe he should consider taking up religion , cause it might do him some good

Posted by: beready at April 12, 2005 12:07 PM

You must be on "Loan from God", reminds me of some other delusional mind sets I have witnessed recently. You do not speak for GOD. GOD speaks for himself and will condemn you if you try. PERIOD. There's a Giant Silver Screen we will all face one day, no need to remind anybody of that. My viewpoint, on your viewpoint.

Posted by Booster at April 12, 2005 9:53 PM

Oh Icy.....Icy...look here.....Many answers to our questions. I knew about King, there is already an online petition to have him impeached.

Among the co-sponsors of the bill was Gus Bilirakis, member of the Hospice of Florida Suncoast board of directors which owns Woodside Hospice where Terri Schiavo lived her last five years although not eligible for hospice care, admitted at a time when Michael Schiavo’s attorney, Felos was also a member of the hospice board with Bilirakis.

Another hospice board member was Pinellas County Sheriff Everett Rice, long time friend of Judge Greer and employer of Eleanor Centonze, mother of Michael’s live-in girlfriend.

Also among the co-sponsors of the 1999 bill was Sen. Nancy Argenziano, (R-Dunnellon) one of the nine Republicans who joined with King last month to prevent Sen. Webster’s bill to save Terri’s life from even getting a fair hearing on the Senate floor.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/04120503_florida_sen.htm

Look at what a NUT this King guy is...HE THINKS HE IS GOD....

“I believe that there is a heaven and that’s where Terri Schiavo is going to go and that’s a trip that’s long overdue”, Sen. James E. King Jr. (R-Jacksonville), former president of the Florida Senate, was quoted as saying as he blocked the legislation from proceeding after the House had passed a bill which would have reinserted the feeding tube withdrawn from her on March 18 and would have saved her life.

Posted by Booster at April 12, 2005 11:58 PM

SOS Icy, Bruce, read that link..and tell me how wide your mouth is open. We knew it was big..but didn't know HOW big. Congress saw a ghost..alright. How can they explain ignoring this. I bet Mary is shacking up with Gus.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 4:55 AM

**and caused millions of our military

Bruce, I meant thousands, not millions.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 7:46 AM

Booster,
this article http://www.theempirejournal.com/04120503_florida_sen.htm

in the most revealing I've seen! There is so much of factual info that it must have been a superhuman effort to get all of this. No wonder the Empire Journal is published in Upstate N.Y., very conservative, Christian area. There are two New Yorks, the NY City area and Upstate NY. Too bad Terri did not live upstate NY, she would be alive.
Had she lived in NY City metro, New England or eastern PA, they would just kill the woman, burned the body, scaterred ashes in Delaware River or Atlantic and be done with it. No problem.
No wonder that Mikey Schiavo and his concubine are planning to move to eastern PA, that's the right place for them.

Going back to the article, I have saved it on my disk. I will check the Empire Journal every day from now on.
The corruption in FL is stunning, worse what I thought even yeasterday! I do not think any Prosecutor in FL could tackle this monster. Indeed, this requires D.O.J, U.S. Congress and/or Special Prosecutor. This corruption is too big for even Jeb Bush to handle. Another thing - there will be elections here and the vote on Terri's law will be a big factor, no doubt about that.

We need to figure out how to best spread the info from The Empire Journal.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 13, 2005 7:53 AM

Here is a copy from Augusta Free Press in its entirety, I like it very much. Here is the link
http://www.augustafreepress.com/stories/storyReader$33425
(I found the link in http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/)

"""In honor and respect for Terri Schiavo
Guest View
Gregg Meagher

Special to The Augusta Free Press

On this day, I would like to briefly address the reality of Terri Schiavo's story. I would like to do so before the falsified heartbreaking and loving husband movies and books hit the screens and bookstores.

Briefly, I desire only to ask every honest and fair-minded American and citizen of our foreign neighbors to hold onto the facts: the controversial medical reports and opinions that negate the whitewash efforts brought through Judge Greer's courtroom; the testimonies of abuse, neglect and police coverups; the motives that exist for a husband to desire a wife dead; the facts that go on ... and on ... and on!

No human being should be tortured and murdered through starvation and denial of water without a fair trial.

I ask America to insist on Terri's Day for Justice and a fair trial of Judge George Greer, attorney George Felos, Michael Schiavo and his accomplices.

I thank you in Terri's name!"""

Posted by I. Caganek at April 13, 2005 8:14 AM

""" I knew about King, there is already an online petition to have him impeached. """

Booster,
where is that petition, do you know? I've never even heard of that King character. He needs to be added to the pack of Ghouls.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 13, 2005 8:21 AM

Found the pettition to Remove Florida Senator James E. "Jim" King From Office:

http://www.petitiononline.com/RSJKFO59/petition.html

Let's do it!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 13, 2005 8:24 AM

The petition to impeach King is not only for FL residents! Anybody can sign, this is quote:
""" Eligible signatories: Florida residents and any others concerned """
Let's go!
Here is the text of the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/RSJKFO59/

Posted by I. Caganek at April 13, 2005 8:50 AM

Icy,

My morning ...

After reading that article I called the Tampa FBI at 0800 hours and told them I wanted to report a crime.(s) The FBI agent was rude and arrogant and told me he didn't have to take a report from me. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I had already filed one through my home office, two weeks ago before that barn burner article.
I spoke to him for 12 minutes before he hung up on me. I cited the Federal Statue (2) and asked him why they didn't go in a save Terri. He said they would have if the US Attorny General in Florida would have allowed them to. They were told No. Keyword, "Attorney". I got the number for the US Attorney 274-6000. I called and talked to two females. One told me the FBI shouldn't have told me that, should have taken my report. She then transfered me to another dullard, that thinks she is immune to this ever happening to her. We had a small cat fight after she told me she didn't know who was handling this case and she would check and they would get back to me. I said, WHEN? and she said, I don't know. I told her she needed to take a vacation, her attitude needed a tweak. She laughed in my ear. I then told her, I don't believe you don't know who is handling this case.
I told her, you know something, what happened to Terri could happen to you, your sister, your mother. She told me she had been working there 30 years, she knew it all. Bitch! I didn't call her that, but that is what she was.

Check the Empire site again. That is another article posted about Impeachment, calling for Bush to nail Greer.

Icy, it ain't going to happen.

I called my Congressman, again. The guy I needed to speak to was out of the office, naturally. I gave some details and this little man told me they hadn't heard all of that. He gave me his email address and I sent him Melton's article as well as the barb burner today. They are supposed to call me back.

I personally, have a law enforcement background, I confess. So, I called some of my friends in a much higher level than I am. They didn't want to hear about the Schivao case anymore. The courts had heard it, etc etc. I tried to tell him the Judge was a owned by the attorneys and the connections were as gross as incest. He said, there is nothing you can do about it. Let it go.
Then he started complaining about all the Mexicans that were getting on his nerves and had to go back to work.

I looked at the voting record on that last bill in Tallahassee. They are not going to impeach anybody. I can only hope one day they end up at the mercy of the same sort of people, that they were to Terri.

Icy, call that number of the US Attorney and ask them why they are ignoring the broken state and federal laws. Number listed above. I talked to Mary Jo. See what they tell you. Damn, these people are accountable to the public. They are so arrogant. I am depressed and shocked. I am sick to my stomach. Did you notice G future mother in law worked at the jail too. I hope you read the whole thing. The connections, etc. And Melton has been complaining about this stonewalling, it is ignored.

Rush is all fired up today. They are picking on him down in Florida. He trashed them all over the weeks.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 10:14 AM

He said they would have if the US Attorny General in Florida would have allowed them to. They were told No. Keyword, "Attorney".

Keep in mind, he refused to give me his name, and told me, he was not taking my report. It has always been my understanding that the FBI had to enforce the law everywhere in the country. I was wrong. It still says so in the books, but it must be a misprint. One law specifically covers Judges, Police and Nursing homes. Florida is a state all on it's own with their own laws. I suggest the Federal Government cut the funds to Florida. They probably will after this. I hope so. Why not succeed from the freaking Nation.

There is one more letter I am going to write but I am going to get my lawyer to send it. This country is out of control. We can call it, the Boot of Iraq.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 10:43 AM

I ask America to insist on Terri's Day for Justice and a fair trial of Judge George Greer, attorney George Felos, Michael Schiavo and his accomplices.

I thank you in Terri's name!"""
*************************************

I feel for her. I know exactly how she feels, helpless and Sadadm is not my leader, either. I am surprised at how calm I am. I may be in a state of shock. I was livid when I read that article, I was waiting for that. I asked the FBI agent was I in the Twilight Zone. He didn't think it was funny and I was not trying to be funny.

Icy, I trust that site. All the facts are researched by lawyers. The information is public record and they have some snitches. I just don't know why they won't allow you to send it to the media. They ask you to take action with that information to your Reps., but they cannot make the calls themselves.

What a crapola day. Off to work, see yah later.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 11:04 AM

Popping in real quick. Just talked to my Congressman's office. They have the information and it will be reviewed but was told Congress nor the Justice Department in DC has any jurisdiction over the Justice. It is a State Issue. Sounds like this case is closed. Funny, that.....

Hoopla..lalalala.

Justice Dept. Asked to Probe Doctors, Lawyers in Asbestos Cases
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
April 11, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- The United States Chamber of Commerce is asking the Justice Department to investigate "considerable new evidence of fraud" in asbestos and silica litigation.

In a letter to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Chamber President and CEO Thomas Donohue asked the Justice Department to open a "formal investigation into the conduct of lawyers, doctors and others who are responsible for the explosion in meritless and abusive asbestos claims across the country in recent years."

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/april/0411_asbestos.shtml

I am removing this case from my mind. It is the law, therefore, I must accept it. NO biggie.

NEXT

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 12:28 PM

Too much information too fast to digest at one time, so here it is piecemeal:

Posted by: Booster at April 12, 2005 11:58 PM

"Among the co-sponsors of the bill was Gus Bilirakis, member of the Hospice of Florida Suncoast board of directors which owns Woodside Hospice where Terri Schiavo lived her last five years although not eligible for hospice care, admitted at a time when Michael Schiavo’s attorney, Felos was also a member of the hospice board with Bilirakis."

Booster, Florida State Rep. Gus Bilirakis (48th FL District, Pinellas/Pasco Counties) is the son of US Congressman Mike Bilirakis, FL 6th District, and is running in 2006 to take his Father's seat in the US House. (see http://www.gusbilirakis.com/).

Mike Bilirakis is the US Congressman who "nominated" Dr. Hammesfahr for the Nobel Prize. I've already explored that issue above.

Mike Bilirakis' largest campaign contributions by far came from the Health Professionals Industry in 2004 (see http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp?CID=N00002982&cycle=2004recieved), 2002 (http://www.opensecrets.org/races/sector.asp?ID=FL09&cycle=2002&special=N), and 2000 (http://www.opensecrets.org/races/sector.asp?ID=FL09&cycle=2000&special=N). Where do you think that the money came from? I would imagine that sitting on the Board of Directors of a major multi-dimensional healthcare service like Suncoast would help, don't you?

In an area like Pinellas County, public figures are in-bred; they serve on overlapping directorships, boards and committees, mostly to get the contacts necessary to get re-elected, and, most importantly, to get the MONEY to get re-elected! Sometimes those positions are at odds with their elected office, sometimes there is a potential conflict between positions.

So, Booster and IC, you can both knock yourselves out on local Florida stuff, but like everywhere, they protect their own.

Bilirakis retires to be succeded by Bilirakis, DeLay's family lives off of his political largess, etc.

What do you want to bet that Felos, Bilirakis and Greer don't sit down to poker one Friday night a month?

While you two are tilting at windmills, the sky REALLY IS falling! Stop being so partisan (always a mistake to vote for a Democrat? Come on here!) and focus on home and hearth. I'll bet their's plenty of corruption and fraud right in your home state, if not in your home town.

The politico's LOVE what you do; it diverts the public's attention from where the problems REALLY are.

Ever watch a magician? ALWAYS watch the other hand! Politics is like Magic, sometimes Black Magic.


Posted by Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 13, 2005 12:33 PM

I haven't noticed anything malicious on this site; spirited, perhaps, but's one of the better sites for insight. Being paranoid as I am, I hope the "review" isn't for or against my benefit? You don't have to post this.

Bruce

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 13, 2005 12:38 PM

Re: Last Posting of Mine

I entered a different email address than usual - my business one - and I got an automated response about review of new Postors' content. Disregard the above. I'm becoming unbalanced participating in this site. It must be catching.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 13, 2005 12:41 PM

Followed in Booster’s footsteps. Called US Attorney office in Tampa, spoke with several girls. Was told that their office in not pursuing any investigation, but was referred to a person at the Dept. of Justice in Washington. When I finally reached somebody at that number and after stating my business, was switched to automatic, recorded processing of Public Response Line. The recorded voice gives instructions on how to leave complaint, but also says that they cannot return calls.

It is clear that presently, there is no investigation going on. It looks there is no way that a few individuals can move this bureaucracy to action. It will have to be political, continuous pressure. Two current petitions (Greer, King) are best bet at present. We need to get bloggers digging into this Vast Judicial Corruption. Bloggers then will drag media along. They all have to start writing about “Vast Judicial Corruption”. Only then we will see an official inquiry into Terri’s killing.

There is an article in http://www.theempirejournal.com/
suggesting that Gov. Jeb Bush has the authority to impeach Greer based on technicalities and Greer’s not meeting some filing requirements. Even though the info may be true, it may not be enough to remove a judge, who has been on the same bench for many years. So, we just have to keep after them. It will take a long time, but I believe justice will be done, eventually. 2006 election campaign will start soon. Go bloggers!

Posted by I. Caganek at April 13, 2005 7:01 PM

I entered a different email address than usual - my business one - and I got an automated response about review of new Postors' content. Disregard the above. I'm becoming unbalanced participating in this site. It must be catching.

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 13, 2005 12:41 PM

Bruce!!! That is because the address is set in the cookies. That is why. It has happened to me before too. We are a lamb compared to what I have seen elsewhere. Have yall seen those horrible TShirts of GW. It is disgusting!

Bruce, come back when you can~!

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 8:08 PM

When I finally reached somebody at that number and after stating my business, was switched to automatic, recorded processing of Public Response Line. The recorded voice gives instructions on how to leave complaint, but also says that they cannot return calls.

It is clear that presently, there is no investigation going on. It looks there is no way that a few individuals can move this bureaucracy to action. It will have to be political, continuous pressure. Two current petitions (Greer, King) are best bet at present. We need to get bloggers digging into this Vast Judicial Corruption. Bloggers then will drag media along. They all have to start writing about “Vast Judicial Corruption”. Only then we will see an official inquiry into Terri’s killing.
***********************

Hey Icy,

So they told you they were not doing an investigation. Go figure. I read somewhere else the warrants would not be processed by the cops anyway. It is unacceptable, but..nothing left to do.

I can see what a terrible time the Schindlers went through. Sad. Like they say, sometimes when you lose, you really win. :) Atleast Terri is free now. Her death changed me forever, scarred my soul, actually.

I just read about a J that was sent home for using some kind of gag buzzer under his bench during court. Some State's do it.

You got the number with the recording, heard that one too. You can email them from the.
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/


Thanks Icy for helping Terri. What a great American. :) I have made my last phone call. We have been outfoxed, but we are not alone. I know my Congressman has all the information I wanted him to have. I have done everything I can.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 8:45 PM

2006 election campaign will start soon.

Icy,I read he was not running again.

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 8:48 PM

DeLay Apologizes for Schiavo Case Rhetoric

but..DeLay said at the news conference that he was eager to appear before the leaders of the House ethics committee and give "everything I have" in connection with allegations of misconduct.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050413/D89EQ1QO0.html

Posted by Booster at April 13, 2005 9:20 PM

Hi,

Just found this blog and it is active! I too find M Schiavo scary and that was just based on his appearance and demeanor on TV and that was before I read up on all the conflicts of interest in the case in the internet. The main stream media sure is biased about this case isn't it?

I am dying to know the source of the poster's information about Terri's PID.

I do have one comment for Bruce from PA. As an aninmal rights activist, I have discovered much information about the incredibly cruel conditions and huge numbers of Amish puppy mills in your state. There is a very active movemet to get your state attorney general as well as the UDDA to shut these hell holes for animals down. Is there much publicity about it in the state of PA?

It is late and I need to go to bed but will be back to read all posts another day and ask more questions.

Posted by always curious at April 13, 2005 10:21 PM

I'm not familiar with puppy mills in this area; I'm about 75 miles from the Amish area. Not everybody in PA dresses in black, drives a buggy, and raises dogs, drugs and tobacco for a living; just the Mennonites and Amish.

So, I guess there isn't much publicity about it; I Googled "amish puppy mills", but the stuff I found was several years old.

I'm not denying that they exist; I'm just not familiar with them.

Our family dogs have always been "rescued" from private sources. One was a mix terrier puppy living with 2 Weimarainers; I figured if she could hold her own there, she'd fit in our household just fine. One I brought home riding on the back of neck, literally, and he grew to about 80 pounds. I mean, how big can a puppy that fits on your neck get? I'll never assume that one again.

I'm not an animal activist, but I don't shoot pigeons at Heggins, either. Ever shoot pigeons at Heggins while you lived here in PA, IC? Thought so.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 13, 2005 11:28 PM

Posted by: always curious at April 13, 2005 10:21 PM

HI curious...I actually found it in the court records when the attorney asked MS to confirm Terri's health problems ref PID. I found it after I couldn't remember where I saw it after Bruce asked for the proof. I will look for the file and post it here. I lost count on how many State laws have been violated against Ms. Terri Schindler. If a US Attorney ignores that, you don't need a hearing aid to hear the answer why.

Even if Bruce doesn't believe in the conspiracy theory he should be able to see the law was not upheld in order to kill Terri. Public TAX PAID COPS and OFFICIALS were used to carry out that involuntary death sentence.

If anyone knows about Scientology down in Pinellas county this case is too familar to their MO. It is creepy. I picture all these nutcases howling at the moon. I will NEVER EVER go to FLORDIA STATE AGAIN, IN MY LIFE! My neice is getting married in July and I refuse to allow my tires to hit the pavement to go there. This Auntie will be AWOL. If I hear another politician say, " I am so sorry it ended up this way, it was wrong, but lets stop it from happening again in the future" it sickens me, it is a pill I am not willing to swallow without choking. That Freakin STATE GIVES ME THE CREEPS! It also GIVES me the creeps that my country condones it PERIOD. There is no rationlizing it, PERIOD. IT was MURDER I!

Here is some theories. Off the wall, but there are some connections.

http://www.libertytothecaptives.net/scientology_vs_terri_schindler_schiavo.html

Lisa McPherson - death by dehydration
Ever since I have become involved in the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case, I have been reading up on the facts about Lisa McPherson. Is there a connection? Perhaps, but it is a remote connection. Lisa McPherson, before she died was a member of the cult of Scientology. Lisa died as a result of severe dehydration as a result of being taken into custody by other members of this truly horrible cult. What happened? You can find Lisa's story here:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/lisapics.htm

On this site you will find photographs of Lisa that were taken during the autopsy. These photographs depict a woman who had been severely mistreated in the last week of her life. The photographs are very graphic in that they show the Lisa's condition after she had been dehydrated to death


Scientology, The Clearwater Bar Association, and Judge Greer

Judge George W. Greer presides over Florida's Sixth Judicial Circuit Court. He is known internationally for the Terri Schindler Schiavo guardianship case. Pat Anderson, former attorney for the Schindlers, characterized Judge Greer's unprecedented rulings as "The Rule of Terri's Case."

The Clearwater Bar Association is delighted with Judge Greer's performance in this particular case. They presented the John U. Bird award to the Pinellas-Pasco Circuit judge on May 15, 2004. This prestigious award, which is the Clearwater bar's highest honor for a judge, was granted to Judge Greer for the way he has handled himself while overseeing the Terri Schiavo case!

Robert Dickinson III, the outgoing president of the Clearwater Bar Association, cited Judge Greer's handling of the Terri Schiavo case in terms of "passing the test":

"Rarely is a person's mettle and faith tested in such a strenuous and public way as this gentleman's has been over the last few years," Robert Dickinson III said. "Rarely do mortals pass the test with such flying colors."

(Quote source: Lawyers laud judge in Schiavo case) [bold emphasis added]

I find these words rather ominous when I reflect on "the test" Judge Greer has been passing—all these years. Judge Greer's consistent practice of upholding Scientology doctrines over and above Florida law is being lauded by the Clearwater Bar Association! The "test" Robert Dickenson III is alluding to is the "test case." The euthanasia test case.

Greer is "passing the test" with flying colors because he is permitting Michael Schiavo to abuse, exploit and neglect his disabled wife in defiance of the Florida statues. And the Clearwater Bar Association cheers.

Scientology attorney Wally Pope—who represented his "church" in the Lisa McPherson case—was the individual selected to bestow this high honor on Judge Greer! Wally cited high ideals, personal character, and judicial competence:

"Yet, in the teeth of all that, he has steadfastly demonstrated exactly what the John U. Bird award was created to honor: high ideals, personal character, judicial competence and service," lawyer Wally Pope said before bestowing the honor.

(Quote source: Lawyers laud judge in Schiavo case) [bold emphasis added]

The "judicial competence" that Judge Greer has exhibited in his handling of the Terri Schiavo case is clearly the kind that ignores evidence and even Florida statutes in order to uphold Scientology doctrine—which requires the deletion of "social contagions" (the disabled) from society. It is no coincidence that a Scientology attorney—who was a lead attorney in the Lisa McPherson case—personally bestowed this award to Judge Greer. Greer's decisions to consistently rule in favor of terminating a disabled person do reflect high ideals—in the sight of Scientology.


Lies to Make Terri Schiavo Fit the Scientology Mold

One of Scientology's major goals is to change society's views about death, dying, and those L. Ron Hubbard considered to be "past the half-way point": the disabled.

Scientologists believe (1) that a disabled person is in such a state due to his or her own failings, (2) the disabled person will deliberately move in the direction of death, and (3) disabled people (Individuals who score low on the emotional tone scale) will also bring death to those around them. (See L. Ron Hubbard's book, Self Analysis, chapter 4)

Scientology teaches that if a person is disabled it is his or her fault. Terri has been falsely represented as being disabled due to self-induced vomiting which supposedly caused a potassium imbalance that resulted in a cardiac arrest. Medical records have disproved these claims, but these "facts" were presented in the court record and are still being promulgated via the media today. The truth is that Terri suffered serious injuries, (including a head and neck injury and numerous broken bones). An exceptionally competent neurologist testified (that Michael Schiavo's attorneys predictably attempted to discredit) stated that Terri's injuries are consistent with strangulation:

Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist, testified that Terri's neck injuries are consistent with only one type of injury: that of strangulation.

(Quote source: State-Funded Agency to Probe Claim of Spousal Abuse in Terri Schiavo Case)

The only person in the apartment with Terri at the time of her collapse was her husband, Michael Schiavo.

Scientology teaches that a disabled person will move in the direction of death. Terri has been illegally denied therapy for over ten years for the purpose of causing her abilities and health to deteriorate. She has also been placed in hospice facilities—and denied any stimulation— rather than in a nursing home. This was done to create the illusion that Terri is moving in the direction of death. According to L. Ron Hubbard's doctrines, a disabled person wants to die. Michael Schiavo never misses an opportunity to state that death is "Terri's wish." This is not true. Terri wants to live so much that she exerts tremendous effort to demonstrate her abilities.

Scientology teaches that disabled persons (Individuals who score low on the tone scale) will also bring death to those around them. Michael is so worried that Terri will bring "death" to him (accusations of attempted murder?) that he refuses to allow her to have speech therapy—or any therapy. Of course Michael's power to keep Terri in a state of disability is contingent upon Judge Greer's continued collusion with the Scientology agenda, which is not in accordance with Florida laws.

The Clearwater Bar Association: Cozy with Scientology

Mike Faehner, who was president-elect of the Clearwater Bar Association in 2001, endorsed the Johnson Blakely Pope Bokor Ruppel & Burns PA. firm:

"In the legal community, they have a good reputation," said Mike Faehner, president-elect of the Clearwater Bar Association. "They do quite a bit of legal educational outreach. They're a solid law firm."

(Quote source: Clearwater firm breaks from standing tradition)

This firm brings in a lot of money by litigating for the "Church" of Scientology:

Their clients include parents involved in a baby swap, a woman who was not allowed to dress after she was arrested for skinny-dipping, the controversial Church of Scientology and developers who have changed the landscape of Clearwater.

(Quote source: Clearwater firm breaks from standing tradition) [bold emphasis added]

Here is an old picture of Judge Greer with attorneys who have litigated for Scientology. Wally Pope is one of them:

Left to right: Chief Judge David A. Demers, Tim Johnson, Probate Judge George Greer, John Blakely, Bruce Bokor, and then Wally Pope. Wally Pope was (at times) listed as Scientology's lead counsel in various parts of the Lisa McPherson-related cases. Blakely and Bokor are or were both partners in the law firm Johnson, Pope, Bokor,
Ruppel, & Burns, which often represents Scientology.


It is probable that Scientology attorneys are on the board and/or are officers of the Clearwater Bar Association! Mike Faehner said:

Many Johnson Blakely lawyers have been board members or officers in the association. The firm also sponsors bar activities, he said.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the Clearwater Bar Association is on cozy terms with the "Church" of Scientology. They choose to have their monthly meetings at the Fort Harrison Hotel—Scientology headquarters. (See: Res Ipsa Loquitur) The Clearwater bar gladly endorses firms that litigate for Scientology. They even chose a Scientology attorney to present an award to Judge Greer for "passing the test" in the way he handled the Terri Schiavo case.

Scientology For Euthanasia; Florida Law Against it

Wally Pope represented the "Church" of Scientology in the wrongful death suit filed by the Estate of Lisa McPherson. He fought to enable Scientology to completely get away with dehydrating Lisa McPherson to death. They did not succeed. They settled with the Lisa McPherson Trust!

Judge Greer's rulings have enabled Michael Schiavo (working on behalf of the Scientology agenda) to almost get away with dehydrating Terri Schiavo to death. The only reason this did not happen is because many Americans—once they saw the videos of Terri that Mr. Schindler bravely released to the media—made it known they would not stand for such evil in our society.

It is time to take a stand against this barbarism once again. Disabled citizens of the United States of America (including Terri Schindler Schiavo of Clearwater, Florida) must not be denied therapy and even life itself due to L. Ron Hubbard's disgust over the fact that a decent society takes care of its own:

Society, the bulk of which is bent upon survival, fails or refuses to recognize death or the urge of organisms toward it. Society passes laws against murder and suicide. Society provides hospitals. Society carries such people [the disabled] on its back. And society will not hear of euthanasia or "mercy killing." (Self Analysis by L. Ron Hubbard; pg. 28)

May the Lord Jesus Christ be glorified as his people "hear his voice" concerning this matter and follow him.

Gary and Lisa Ruby

update 4/03/05

Greer Awarded At Least Three Times During the Terri Schiavo Trial

I have just learned that the Clearwater Bar has twice honored Judge Greer with the John U. Baird award due to his performance in the Terri Schiavo case. The St. Petersburg Bar Association also awarded him during the Terri Schiavo trial:

The Clearwater Bar Association twice honored him with the John U. Bird Distinguished Jurist Award, in 2001 and in 2004, in part for his work on the Schiavo case. The St. Petersburg Bar Association gave him its Judicial Appreciation Award in 2004.

(Judge Greer Evo kes Admiration, Anger)


Pat Anderson, during the time she represented the Schindlers, "asked four times to have Greer remove himself from the case and once asked an appeals court to remove him for talking to the media about a letter Gov. Jeb Bush sent in an attempt to sway Greer's opinion." Now she has decided not to share her opinion of Judge Greer:

"There is a rule of conduct that prohibits lawyers from making comments critical of judges on the theory that such criticism will reduce the public's confidence in the judiciary,'' Anderson said.

(Judge Greer Evo kes Admiration, Anger)

Exposing the actions of a judge who broke laws and judicial canons in his goal to cause the death of a conscious, disabled woman who strongly communicated her will to live is more important than maintaining the appearance of a non-corrupt judiciary!


You can see what side of the bed I woke up on.


related articles: Scientology Vs Terri Schiavo

Petition to impeach Judge Greer --Judge Greer has violated Florida statutes and the Judicial Code of Ethics in order to go along with Scientology ethics.

link to: Judge In Schiavo Case Failed To Legally Qualify For Office; Discharge Mandated

7/28/04

edited 04/04/05

I wish somewhere in this Country a DECENT LAW ABIDING lawyer with Brillance and God Given Intelligence and knowledge of the LAW would go help the Schindlers and put everybody that caused that crime, FACE THEY WERE WRONG with a NEWS CAMERA FOLLOWING THEM AROUND! If some NETWORK CAN DO IT FOR JOHN GOTTI'S DAUGHTER, THEY CAN DO IT FOR TERRI!

NO BODY FREAKIN CARES ABOUT TERRI. IT WASN'T THEM! THEY DIDN'T WANTED TO LIVE HER LIFE. THE TRUTH IS..NOBODY SAW HER LIFE BECAUSE HER GUARDIAN WOULD NOT ALLOW A PICTURE OR A CAMERA OF HER IN FIVE YEARS!

ANYBODY COULD BE NEXT, AND THAT SHOULD SCARE ANYONE BUT IT DOESN'T. AMERICA IS STONED!

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 6:25 AM

I'm not an animal activist, but I don't shoot pigeons at Heggins, either. Ever shoot pigeons at Heggins while you lived here in PA, IC? Thought so.

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 13, 2005 11:28 PM


I currently have 8 rescued dogs and one rescued cat. There was a time I had 12. I have three acres, fenced in and Mexican 12X12 ceramic tile floor and my house is spotless. I love my dogs and my cat. Will rescue one in a heartbeat and find them a home. In the process of finding a new home I run the potential new owner through a battery of psyche tests and ask them to provide me their record from the local law enforcement agency. My dogs live as long as 16 years. My cat is 17 and can still climb a tree with speed that would make Superman look slow. They are one of God's best gifts to Man.

They eat live pigeons for breakfast in Florida State, other than Icy.

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 7:15 AM

Conspiracys are wonderful things. They can't be disproven because they are based upon a SELECT, usually one-sided view of facts and theories, so there is ALWAYS someone who will support the Conclusion.

Our sponsor is on sabbatical for a week or so, and the "lost posting" of mine dealt with many of those issues of Conspiracy discussed here, so I don't know if or when it will post.

But, for example, FL Rep Gus Biliankis, mentioned above as supporting the change to the Death With Dignity Law in 1999, is the son of Mike Biliankis, US Congressman for Pinellas County, who "nominated" Dr. Hammesfahr for the Nobel Prize.

Mike is retiring, and Gus is running for his seat. Shouldn't be much of a problem for him to win; the last name's the same, and Mike hasn't had any REAL opposition for years.

So, Gus is a Director of SunCoast and supported changes to the law that, as had been said, took away Terri's Right to Life, and his dad writes Nobel Prize nominations for Dr. Hammesfahr, a supporter of The Schindlers.

What do you want to bet that Gus and Mike Biliankis, Judge Greer and George Falos don't sit down to poker together once a month? I'd even be willing to wager that Bill Hammesfahr sits in when one of them can't make it.

They are politically and economically inbred in Pinellas County, as is not uncommon in most of the United States. Overlapping directorships, financial interests in "competing" businesses and services are not at all uncommon. It's all about politics, and politics requires vast sums of money from Special Interest Groups to keep it solvent. Those positions provide exposure to the people who dole out that money.

Mike Biliankis outspent his challanger in 2004 by more than 10-1, and still finished his campaign in the black. His son will do the same.

Tell me that you don't have anything like that going on in your hometown.

So, if you want to help the Terri Schiavos of the world, work at home to keep these guys clean and on track. While you and everyone else is focused on Impeaching and Prosecuting everyone in FL and the US who doesn't see eye-to-eye with you about Terri Schiavo, they continue to strip you of your rights in your own back yard. The "Good Old Boys" in your area like it just fine that way.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 14, 2005 7:20 AM

They eat live pigeons for breakfast in Florida State, other than Icy.

Posted by: Booster at April 14, 2005 07:15 AM


How do they keep them from flying off of the plate? That's a question for you, IC.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 14, 2005 7:23 AM

Schiavo's 'Dr. Humane Death' Got 1980 Diagnosis Wrong
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
April 12, 2005

(CNSNews.com) -- A neurologist hired by Michael Schiavo to confirm that his wife Terri was in a persistent vegetative state said he was "105 percent sure" of that diagnosis, but Dr. Ronald Cranford expressed similar certainty about a patient he examined in 1980 who later regained both consciousness and the ability to communicate.

Three days before Terri Schiavo's death, Cranford appeared on the MSNBC talk program, "Scarborough Country," to discuss her condition. Cranford was interviewed by reporter Lisa Daniels.

DANIELS: Are you 100 percent correct in your opinion that Terri Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state? Do you agree with that?

CRANFORD: I am 105 percent sure she is in a vegetative state. And the autopsy will show severe irreversible brain damage to the higher centers, yes.

DANIELS: Why are you so sure, doctor?

CRANFORD: Because I examined her ...

This nutcase examined her for (45) F-o-u-r-t-y
F-i-v-e Minutes, per his MOUTH to SEAN HANNITY ON FOX NEWS! He is a liar by ommission and should be in a PADDED CELL. He also doesn't realize there is no such thing as "105" perecent. Arrogant megalomaniac,loose cannon with a medical license to murder~!

Doctor Doctor, You examined her for (45) Forty Five Minutes as you told the world on FOXNEWS to SEAN HANNITY, YOU DEATH DOCTOR CREEP~! America used to THROW PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN JAIL FOR YEARS! JUST ASK JACK, HE IS STILL THERE~!

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2005/april/0412_schiavo_doctor1.shtml

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 7:41 AM

**NO, I am not embarrassed about my spelling errors. I am mad as hell at the arrogance of this all. The thought that these people are getting away with this kills me. Does ANYBODY know their HISTORY or the MAN NAMED HILTER and HOW HE STARTED? His first victim was a handicapped human being!

Check out my daily email wisdom emailed to me today. No, I am not a Buddist's, just subscribe to the site that sends daily wisdom. I can't ignore the message.

Do not underestimate your ability.

-Geshe Chekawa, in Advice From a Spiritual Friend
Copyright Wisdom Publications 2001. Reprinted from "Daily Wisdom: 365 Buddhist Inspirations," edited by Josh Bartok. Reprinted with permission by arrangement with Wisdom Publications, 199 Elm St., Somerville MA 02144 U.S.A, www.wisdompubs.org.

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 7:51 AM

Mike is retiring, and Gus is running for his seat. Shouldn't be much of a problem for him to win; the last name's the same, and Mike hasn't had any REAL opposition for years.

So, Gus is a Director of SunCoast and supported changes to the law that, as had been said,


BRUCE, Gus OWNS THE HOSPICE! DOES THAT NOT CLICK YET?

AND NO, it would not happen where I live. Never would it happen. My Sheriff is NOT A CROOK, nor is my State Head Law Enforcement Officer.
I am not saying there are good ole boys everywhere...but I am saying My State does NOT nor will they EVER murder an INNOCENT HANDICAPPED WOMAN, and that also comes from a PROBATE COURT JUDGE, who is a personal long time friend of mine.

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 8:09 AM

How do they keep them from flying off of the plate? That's a question for you, IC.

Posted by: Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 14, 2005 07:23 AM

I will answer too, if you don't mind Bruce, they don't fly off the plate because their little feet are handcuffed to the plate.

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 8:26 AM

Another thing Bruce, I personally made the effort to go talk to my local Hospice, and they said, that is not here purpose. They do not KILL their patients, they hold their hands as they die. If you read my post earlier, I told Icy what their record was. Now, I noticed the Hospice in Alabama told the family of Mae, that if she was given a feeding tube through the nose, she could not stay there. That was in the news last night. The Granddaughter is back in control of the situation and wants to see Granny die.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43763

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 8:33 AM

Geeeeezz, there is so much new stuff here since last night that I still didn’t get chance to read it all!
Before I forget, pigeons? No, I do not know Heggins, never been there. I used to go hunting for grouse and deer, every week in season. But, never in my life shot anything, I just had no intentions of killing anything, only a dry branch at the end of the day. Love animals too much (except for frogs & snakes). I really enjoyed browsing woods all day with shotgun in hands. Had lunch with me. It felt like being in another world. One thing, though. This may sound strange, but there were very few animals in PA woods. I used to go mostly to Delaware River Gap area, but on New Jersey side. Deer all over, incredible. Hunting in PA is mostly on private game preserves.
Pigeons for breakfast? Not for breakfast, but I had it once for lunch, when I was 10. Delicious meat, still remember the taste.

I used to live in Amish area, in Morgantown (beautiful place), but never heard of puppy mills. This must be something new. Amish people are wonderful, if I stood next to an Amish man I would feel inadequate, unworthy, like a sinner. They eradiate some kind of holiness, always smile.

The Terri case is by no means over. It just will take time. Somebody will come forward, routine audit will discover fraud, friendships will end in hostility, etc. When one thing breaks, that will be the start of change, the corruption has to end. Later on that, have to go.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 14, 2005 8:42 AM

Gus/Mike play both sides of the fence. How do you think that you get almost 90% of the vote? Gus supports Death With Dignity, Mike supports Right To Everlasting Life.

You know the old "But you're the first lawyer we've ever had make it up here!" joke. It applies to many politicians, too.

"AND NO, it would not happen where I live. Never would it happen. My Sheriff is NOT A CROOK, nor is my State Head Law Enforcement Officer.
I am not saying there are good ole boys everywhere...but I am saying My State does NOT nor will they EVER murder an INNOCENT HANDICAPPED WOMAN, and that also comes from a PROBATE COURT JUDGE, who is a personal long time friend of mine."

I don't know where you live, Booster, but unless it's Lake Woebegone, or your State has never had Capital Punishment, your state has already "murdered" innocent people, guaranteed. It probably included some "mentally handicapped" people who were not considered to be in a vegetative state. More than likely, even a woman or two.

I don't care whether you endorse Capital Punishment or not; that's not the issue. The issue is that nobody nowhere has perfectly clean hands; wrong decisions are made, right decisions are made. Sometimes it takes years to find out. Sometimes it never is.

No Judge can ever foresee his own future rulings, much less those of other judges in the State

I'm sure that your Sheriff is no crook, but I'll bet your Sheriff is elected, so his actions are subject to the scrutiny of the Public and his campaign is financed by Special Interests. He's also a member of several civic organizations and maybe a KofC or Mason. He doesn't live in a vacuum, and he's just a man, subject to mortal weaknesses. Don't forget that. When you do, you and everybody else around you is in trouble.


And "the murder an INNOCENT HANDICAPPED WOMAN" is not the only thing going on anywhere. Amish Puppy Mills in PA. "Collateral Damage Civilian Deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan". Systematically-concealed sexual abuse by Clergy.

There are worse things than death, Booster. Betrayal of Spirit is one. If, as a mainstream Christian, you believe in Heaven and Hell and Judgment, there is a Final Judgment for everyone. If you believe that your life's end is to be found in Revelations, and that these are the End Times, the decision will be made here on Earth..

Hitler ordered the killing 6 million people. He destroyed the lives 150 million more, his countrymen included. Would he have been any less heinous if he had not ordered the Final Solution? In my book, no.


Posted by Bruce Whitesell (PA Gentleman) at April 14, 2005 8:55 AM

What is Scientology?
Scientology is a religion that was founded in 1954 by L. Ron Hubbard (1911-1986).

http://www.theintellectualviewpoint.com/philosophy/religious-philosophy/scientology/

Go read about how Scientology was founded. L Ron Hubbard was a paranoid schizophrenic watched by our Government The alleged "church" was founded by his girlfriend and is still practiced today in Pinellas county. Very big down there. You have to wonder why. Read the letters Hubbard wrote to the Government.

It amazes me that this Church is still standing much less has members like Tom Cruise. There are police reports of young people that committed suicide because they could not rasie enough money to give to the church. Victims of foul play with no answers to their death with symptoms of dehydration, bulemia. Just two employees of this joint died of sudden mysterious illness's in Suncoast Hospice.

Now, there is a conspiracy theory you can chew on. The fact that Clearwater Bar gave Greer an award for Terri's case is a RED FLAG it would cause steam to blow from any reasonable and sane bull's nose.

P.S. My day is getting better. I just heard from Director Domingo S. Herraiz of the Justice Department. My letter had reached his desk and will be given to Gonzales office~! Yahooo~!

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 9:08 AM

And "the murder an INNOCENT HANDICAPPED WOMAN" is not the only thing going on anywhere. Amish Puppy Mills in PA. "Collateral Damage Civilian Deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan". Systematically-concealed sexual abuse by Clergy.

There are worse things than death, Booster. Betrayal of Spirit is one. If, as a mainstream Christian, you believe in Heaven and Hell and Judgment, there is a Final Judgment for everyone. If you believe that your life's end is to be found in Revelations, and that these are the End Times, the decision will be made here on Earth..


All in the eye of the beholder Bruce. What is worse, and what is not.

And "the murder an INNOCENT HANDICAPPED WOMAN" is not the only thing going on anywhere. Amish Puppy Mills in PA. "Collateral Damage Civilian Deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan". Systematically-concealed sexual abuse by Clergy.

There are worse things than death, Booster. Betrayal of Spirit is one. If, as a mainstream Christian, you believe in Heaven and Hell and Judgment, there is a Final Judgment for everyone. If you believe that your life's end is to be found in Revelations, and that these are the End Times, the decision will be made here on Earth..


I am a newshound and I no longer want to hear the news out of Iraq. I am fed up with the hypocritical cause. I want our troops home, posted at our borders with launchers pointed to the sky. I am sick and tired of going broke teaching people around the world how to catch a fish to eat. Especially in countries that have so much money they can afford catering out of the best restaurant in France. It is up to them to rid their leaders of stealing from them and forcing them to live like peasants. I am sick and tired of US being the world police. Let them fend for themselves. The blow back does not pay off. There are young people in Germany that hate America's guts and don't even realize if it was not for our army boots they would never have been born. Their history books teach them that America destroyed their land and their people!

I am sick of it all. When I see the FIRST handicapped woman murdered against her will with power that undermines my President and my Congress, that is when I tell the rest of the world to kiss my ass and fend for themselves. I want my troops HOME! Their lives mean more to me, than saving somebody else out side of the US. I am tired of it.


Your liberals voted this week to provide abortions to people with our tax paid aid money. WE are the biggest giver of aid money in the world. I am sick and tired of that too. Until this year, we foolishly gave it to even Saudi Arabia. We pay our ways into these countries with aid money because they are too lazy to work, much less clean their own toilet. That is at least the ones that are allowed to have one.

Bruce, the barbaric murder of Terri has made my blood run cold.

You are comparing Terri to one that has an IQ of a mental retard, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a fist of steel, or hands to hold a knife or a gun to kill his innocent victim, anyway.

Terri did NONE OF THE ABOVE. NO, it HAS NOT HAPPENED EVER BEFORE, this IS THE FIRST TIME, IN AMERICA'S HISTORY!

I care about this because Florida State has the "right to kill" while violating the laws of our land. That is tyranny Bruce. PERIOD. This is not a "right to die" issue. There is a BIG difference.

The German people bought it too Bruce.

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 9:30 AM

Booster:

"You are comparing Terri to one that has an IQ of a mental retard, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a fist of steel, or hands to hold a knife or a gun to kill his innocent victim, anyway."

I was referring to the multitude of "convicted murderers" whose convictions have been overturned with DNA evidence, confessions by others, etc. Innocent people have been murdered by your State for crimes not committed if you have, or have ever had, Capital Punishment. I wasn't referring to the guilty ones. But then, who's to know who is really guilty? Only God is infallible. The rest of us guess.

Witch trials in Massachusetts, lynching in the South, extermination of Native Americans; need I say more?

By the way, I take exception to the use of the characterization "mental retard". It has no place here. I've worked with the mentally challenged and learning disabled for 25 years as a volunteer, and I have found far fewer bigots and mean-spirited people in those groups than in the general population. Their rights have been regularly trampled on for years, including sterilization, "brain surgery" with 10" needles, and even execution.

But then, maybe an Innocent Woman in a Vegetative State deserves more sympathy than they do. 6,000,000 vs 150,000,000 who were crippled, orphaned, used as slave laborers; sometime the dead have found the easy way out.

Posted by Bruce Whitesell (Pal Bruce) at April 14, 2005 11:09 AM

There is a new poll out by Quinnipiac University, finding that majority of Floridians approve removing Terri’s feeding tube. Looks like disappointing result, but that is easy to explain.
Most of the people do not closely follow this case. They think the case was a family disagreement between a loving husband and the wife’s family. They also think that Terri was in continuous vegetative state. I have only followed Terri's case since mid March, this year.
People do not know about the corruption of justice, the ghouls. They do not know that Terri had to be put to death to protect M. Schiavo, Greer, Attorney Fellon, Labyak, etc. Had she been allowed to live, the ghouls would go to jail.
So, THIS POLL IS MEANINGLESS.

I still didn’t have time to read all new here, have to ketch up with work.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 14, 2005 1:49 PM

Bruce,

did not intend for that to sound demeaning. I left off the (mental) retard-(ation) off by error. I have not moved so PC to use the word, Mentally challenged. That is silly, to me. They are more than challenged, they are against all odds. I volunteer every year to work in the Special Olympics and have for 10 years. These kids are wonderful human beings. That just makes it much more difficult for me to accept that Terri lost her life because of her brain.
She wasn't PVS under Florida statue, she was PVS because Cranford looked at her for 45mins.

By the way, call your medical board tomorrow and see if he is licensed to practice in your state. I am working on a list to see where he can do his voodoo. I still don't understand your comparison. Sounds like you don't want me to be outraged about this, and want me to be outraged about things that happened over a century ago that I had no control over. We put them to death in this State for Multiple murder charges. The ones that have been killed confessed to their crimes. They don't even die for killing a cop. It takes them 25 years to die. I oppose the death penalty now. I think it will be banned within the next couple of years.


Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 4:43 PM

So, THIS POLL IS MEANINGLESS.

I still didn’t have time to read all new here, have to ketch up with work.


Posted by: I. Caganek at April 14, 2005 01:49 PM

I know one girl from Clearwater and she thinks He is a monster worth spitting on but she also thinks Terri was on a machine and brain dead.
The Clearwater press is working for the lawyers and probably owned by Ms. Mary and Gus. Who knows.

The heck with your work Icy, let it pile up. :) Bruce wants to know how you keep your pigeons on your plate??

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 4:49 PM

BRUCE!

I am so slow today. When you read about one that is put to death and they are "labeled" as mentally retarded, that only means that they likely cannot read or write because they didn't go to school or chose a life of crime and drugs. Thus, their IQ is very low for that reason, only. If you are picturing the same "mentally challenged" people you volunteer to help you need to add some contrast to your screen. It is blurred. I take great offense that you are offended at the term "label" as Terri Schindler died for that very same reason, that you, Bruce, are objecting to. The needles and operations, you are referring to Hitler days, right? Well, look into your future. Doctor Cranford and Felos are working us there. You know what, this may sound crazy, but it actually is a very big crime today. The harvesting of organs, big business and makes people wealthy. Some people even do it and they are "pillars" of their community and state. They just have not been caught yet. They will one day. People always get caught, eventually.

NEXT

Posted by Booster at April 14, 2005 5:04 PM

I guess prisoner of greed could describe Terri or any other disabled person whose benefits are used up by the mercilessly greedy and who is then murdered with the excuse that she would have wanted it or that she had no quality of life.

This kind of thinking scares the mortal shit out of me. I am a boomer and will be getting to the expendable state within a few years. I might not want to live in her condition, but I sure as hell don't want to die like she did. She had no relief from pain. Morphine must be ingested (no feeding tube) or given in a drip (no hydration).

God help this nation in the savagery it seems to be deteriorating into. Maybe an all out nuclear war would be a mercy as long as you get to die in a direct hit; radiation poisoning is pretty gruesome, too.

Posted by always curious at April 14, 2005 7:00 PM

Does anyone know how to get to the current posts in this thread without endless scrolling from the top? Please excuse my computer clumsiness.

Posted by always curious at April 14, 2005 7:03 PM

Many things to respond to, don’t know where to begin, so how about here:
/always curious/ says "I am dying to know the source of the poster’s info about Terri’s PID.”
Anybody knows? Let’s say Hello to /always curious/.

I know nothing about this Scientology, but know Clearwater. That is full of ex-hippies (now in their 50’s and 60’s), small time drug users & dealers and lunatics of all kind, “howling at the moon” is right. Felos, Greer, Mikey and the rest fit right in there.

I just watched O’Reilly, he says “Florida is experiencing judicial meltdown”, I agree 100 percent. Case in point – Prosecutor in Citrus County does not want to prosecute those three druggies who protected Couey and in fact were willing party to a murder. This is a meltdown, for sure!
But, O’Reilly was pounding that Greer guy all the time, I’ve never seen him letting Greer off the hook.

That’s all I can do today.

Posted by I. Caganek at April 14, 2005 7:35 PM

But, O’Reilly was pounding that Greer guy all the time, I’ve never seen him letting Greer off the hook. That’s all I can do today.

Posted by: I. Caganek at April 14, 2005 07:35 PM

Icy,

The only thing I have heard Bill say was that Greer did nothing wrong. I did hear him comment about the restraining order he didn't issue for that woman that needed protection from her husband and she ended up getting killed by him. Bill was supposed to be getting a copy of her plea to see if it showed reasonable threats to her life.

Icy, I need to tell you something, but need to do it over the phone. Is that possible? Let me know.

Thanks.

Posted by Booster at April 15, 2005 5:09 AM

Hi Curious,

Welcome, I saw the court document, and I need to locate it in my files. I have so many. I will find it eventually.

There has been a big change in the direction of the wind for me. Will explain later. No, I am not in any trouble Bruce. Just found out some new information that makes a whole lot more sense than what I have been led to believe.

More Later ~!

SYL Curious, Bruce, Icy, lurkers ((waving))

Posted by Booster at April 15, 2005 5:14 AM

Michael Schiavo listed Feb. 25, 1990 as the date
that Terri departed this earth! This statement is inscribed on her tombstone.

Scroll down to post 3 to see the
inscription on Terri's gravestone:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1427101/posts

Terri Schiavo's remains buried in Clearwater

By MITCH STACY
Associated Press Writer
Posted June 20 2005, 9:10 PM EDT

TAMPA -- Terri Schiavo's husband buried her cremated remains in a Clearwater cemetery Monday, inscribing on her bronze grave marker
that ``I kept my promise.''

Michael Schiavo, who had said he promised his wife he would not keep her alive artificially and waged a long legal battle to remove her
feeding tube, also listed Feb. 25, 1990, as the date she ``Departed this Earth.'' That was the day she collapsed and fell into what most
doctors said was an irreversible vegetative state.

She actually died last March 31, nearly two weeks after her feeding tube was removed by court order.

David Gibbs, an attorney for the woman's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said inscribing the marker that way was a nasty political statement by Michael Schiavo, who held the service and burial Monday before telling her family.


read the rest of the article here:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-0620schiavo,0,5115659.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Related article-- Michael Schiavo: Terri Died 15 Years Ago

http://libertytothecaptives.net/michael_schiavo_terri_died_15yearsago.html

Posted by Lisa Ruby at June 21, 2005 5:07 PM