I'm not into all the superstition, but I think this guy's research time could have been spent on something else.
Scientists have been trying to put religion on ice for years. At the same time, they are convinced that only Darwin walked on water.
Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld:
"Known knowns. Known unknowns. Unknown unknowns."
Secular Humanists cannot deal with the "known unknowns" of the Vertical.
Dan Brown is the source for Nok. Brown has unearthed reports by Romans of galleys frozen in the Med. These secret reports also include drawings of the native population's ritual of carrying large bladders of cheap wine onto the ice, then cutting holes and building little sheds to harvest the sea. The children and the "touched"are shown in their own sections where the chant "we're walking on water" is sung until at least 7 are drowned.
Brown has been asked to hold off publication of his new book until after the midterms.
But the Dems are having problems keeping everyone onboard and quiet:
"When Jesus Was A Democrat"
Hillary was not happy with the PAST TENSE in the title at The NEW REPUBLIC online.
New emails are begging the LSM, Academentia and the rest of their minions to stop exposing the Dems schizophrenia on Christianity.
Hillary et al. want to be able to pull it out when they think it will serve. And the NYT's tries mightily by publishing an article to show us the "holiness" of Planned Parenthood.
"Please do not let our black majority know what we really think." is the plea.
Poor desperate Hillary has pled to Congress that Jesus not get arrested as an illegal alien to cover the blurts of her co-lefties.
Joe Klein & Chris Matthews have received word that one more segment showing their disdain and they will be blacklisted from exclusive interviews.
Their iconic "funny man/expert of the world" Bill Maher, who gets lots of face time on the LSM & CNN's Larry King Show, ignored the email as he is going for EMMY's.
Thanks to Neil Sheppard at NewsBusters here are some of the Maher "jokes" last week:
He began by suggesting that Christianity has “taken over all three branches of government, country music, public schools, [and] the best sellers list.” He then suggested that Christians are “part of a dress-up cult that hates sex and worships magic.”
“The Christian right are now the party of paranoia.” His solution:“If you’re going to be that paranoid all the time, just get high.”
...“And the worst part is the people bitching loudest about being persecuted for their Christianity aren’t Christians at all. They’re demagogues and conmen and scolds, and the only thing they worship is power.”
.... “If you believe Jesus ever had a good word for war, or torture, or tax cuts for the rich, or raping the earth, or refusing water for dying migrants, then you might as well believe bunnies lay painted eggs.”
“Now, I know George Bush says Jesus Chris changed his heart, but believe me, Dick Cheney changed it back. The only thing Bush has in common with Jesus is they both went into their father’s business and got crucified for it.”
“This Easter season, let’s give [Christians] what they want – let’s go to the zoo, get some lions, and feed them Tom DeLay.”
And false fronts do wear on a person:
On April 3rd, American Thinker praised "The Nation" for publishing this:
Pull back the curtain
Kudos to Ronald Aronson who authored this article in The Nation: “The Left Needs More Socialism.” Finally, the truth comes out. Aronson admonishes Democrats to
..break a taboo and place the word ‘socialism’ across the top of the page in a major American progressive magazine [“The Nation”]. Time for the left to stop repressing the side of ourselves that the right finds most objectionable. Until we thumb our noses at the Democratic pols who have been calling the shots and reassert the very ideas they say are unthinkable, we will keep stumbling around in the dark corners of American politics, wondering how we lost our souls—and how to find them again.
Hopefull Katrina Van Der "Hovel" and Ronald Aronson will now explain what "socialism" really means - and it sure isn't National Health Care.
Hillary is really trying to get HOLLYWOOD under control. But is appears useless.
Egos are involved, the director of '"BASIC INSTINCT II" blames the poor box-office on GW's Christians for making the world "unsafe" for sexy movies.
I'll stop, but I have so much more just from past week.
Kudos to Cynthia McKenney, she's used everything other reason but as yet hasn't worked Jesus into her defense. (I better click post now, before I hear latest Cynthia report)
Sounds like a retread of the "Stupid Semite" theory -- some
explanation for events that assumes a gigantic lack of common sense
for the people there at the time. (Further examples: Jesus "feinting"
and people just forgetting to check, Jesus running up a mountain
during a fog instead of ascending, etc.).
People weren't any smarter back then --- but they weren't any stupider either.
This kind of news always reminds me of this joke:
One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this, let's say we have a man making contest." To which the scientist replied, "OK, great!"
But God added, "Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."
The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no. You go get your own dirt!"
People like Nof are proof that God has a marvelous sense of humor--Jesus probably got a good laugh out of that Reuters item.
That's incredible! Does he mean to say that Jesus surfed on a piece of ice? It's one thing to walk on water, but to surf, that's just too cool, dude!
From my own experience I can testify that many, many surfers know Jesus up close and personal. And will tell you about it.
Well, yeah, this type of "research" is pretty absurd. I can see the members of the Assembly of God Church down the street, upon getting the news that Jesus may have surfed on a slab of ice, becoming Unitarians.
Man, that would be fun. I've never had Unitarians come to my door to invite me to church. Plus, I want to see a cartoon of Surfin' Jesus calming the stormy sea.
Shoot, you guys are going to get me sent straight to hell. I'm not out of Lenten mid-week service 30 cotton pickin' minutes and I'm already delighting in sacriligious images.
You think that's bad— because of a particular discussion I had with a friend of mine, I can now envision the Precious Moments™ cruxifiction.
I'm going to Hell...
A mother was very pleased that her son, who she had just put into Catholic school, had greatly improved in math.
MOM: "Johnny, I'm so proud of how well you're doing in math. You must really like your new teacher."
JOHNNY: "I'm not sure it's the teacher, Mom, more like I seen what they did to the guy with the plus sign."
Peter, at least, was a professional fisherman. He'd have to have been out on the sea in that boat in all kinds of weather many many hundreds of times. He'd have known what he was seeing.
"All of which gets us to pretty much were we are today where Christ is revealed to have been, at the very least, pretty good at ice-skating."
Well, ice-surfing, at the very least. He's reported to have walked out to a boat that was attempting to cross the lake. A neat trick, eh?
At some point, we hope, such "scientists" will remember the tenets of their creed:
-- That knowledge consists of the ability to predict;
-- That a phenomenon observed or reported once, that cannot be replicated, can never be confidently attributed to a definite cause;
-- That the inability to experiment denies one the privilege of confidence;
...after which the rest of us can enjoy the blessings and comforts of faith without being repeatedly heckled by persons whose presumptions exceed their abilities and achievements.
Amen and Amen!
Once again, Vanderleun, you reveal The Divine.
Nice, but a bit wordy. My summary: they're a bunch of bullying chickenshits.
And lo, it came to pass, that profane men, full of noise and wind and who made their fortunes by disseminating poisonous disbelief to gullible Manipulators of Deception, did blaspheme and contend that Jesus, Son of the Living God, did not the miraculous, and walk upon the waters, but did only walk upon ice which covered the water.
...and Peter and Andrew, His disciples, did marvel that ice should appear upon the water, beneath the feet of their Master, and they did confess, "Lo, Thou art the Son of the Living God, for thou canst cause ice to form upon water where there had been none.
And the secularists gave no further explanation, but did depart, seething, and vowing to prove the Son of Man a charlatan and liar.
Good point Mike. I'll take out some of the wordiness.
Thank you for this post. It came at the right time for me to read and laid out some thougths I needed to think on. have a great day.
Trying to figure out how Jesus walked on the water completely misses the point of the passage. The story, in Matthew 14, is a lesson for the early church, represented by the boat with all the disciples in it, but Jesus absent. The story teaches not to leave the boat - that is, to stay safe in storms (persecutions, social isolations) believers have to draw close together.
This is what Peter did not do - he left the boat and, even with best intentions, sank like a stone. But even then, Jesus saved him.
Jesus walking on the water does two things - reinforces his identity as deity, since the Jews, along with other ancient Near East peoples, believed that only God could do such a thing, and teaches the church that the risen Christ is transcendent over current events, that the storms of life are no obstacle to Jesus' power or presence.
It's no surprise that a secular scientist would entirely miss the point, I suppose. The point of the passage is what does it teach Christian believers, not how was the "miracle" done. In fact, in every miracle story in the Gospels, the fact of the miracle is secondary to the meaning. And the meaning is always embedded within the context of the story itself.
What does the passage do is the key point, not how was the miracle performed.
We've got a half dozen NatGeos scattered about our living room; some still in the shipping plastic.
I opened one of those up the other day and read all about Greenland's ice sheet and how Global Warming is going to raise the levels of the oceans as much as *drum roll* 23 feet.
There were graphics. And time lines. They even talked about Lief Erickson and Eric the Red.
About the "scam" he used - calling the place GREENland to sucker people to move there. And how they wised up
after four hundred years
and then left.
There's nothing in the graphics about the Medieval Warm Phase. Except for one line of text. But there's lots and lots of graphics showing how bad it will be when the sheets are GONE.
Told the wife she can subscribe to NatGeo and Consumer Reports if she wants. Just don't ask me to write any checks. Thanks.
May I share my take on that "Jesus walked on ice" story?
GINA COBB - Jesus Walked on Ice? Give Me a Break
What are the odds that temperatures just happened to drop to 25 degrees Fahrenheit (-4 degrees Celsius) "during one of the two cold periods 2,500 –1,500 years ago for up to two days" during the exact three years when Jesus was engaged in his active ministry on earth?
That alone sounds so improbable that it would have to be described as -- dare I write it? -- a miracle.
What are the odds that these freak conditions -- normally occurring only once in 10,000 years -- created a small, invisible patch of ice exactly where Jesus was walking -- but in such a small area that it did not interfere with navigation of the disciples' boat nor save Peter from slipping into the water -- yet created ice thick and strong enough to support a grown man's weight without breaking or tipping?
Have any of these scientists ever tried walking across a small patch of invisible ice on the ocean in a storm?
I'm not clear from the news summary how thick or thin this once-in-10,000-years (or once-in-30-to 60-years ice) supposedly was. How thick could it have been if the cold snap lasted for a maximum of only "two days"?
Nor is it clear from the report how Jesus could have reached over and pulled Peter up when he started to sink (Matthew 14:22-32) without slipping off this invisible ice floe himself, but I guess we'll have to take it on faith (so to speak) that this whole ice thing is possible.
Ironically, the Bible story in question is about faith -- and lack thereof:
Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!" Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?" And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshipped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."
But I suppose scientists cannot resist trying to explain things from a purely scientific standpoint. That is their job description, after all.
And even more exciting studies are in the works!
In future reports, scientists intend to prove that:
- Jesus possibly used "chum" to attract large quantities of fish for his disciples' nets
- Jesus may have used "Fish Helper" to extend "a few small fish" into enough to feed thousands
- Jesus could have ascended into heaven with the help of a giant pulley
My theory that mohammed was the great deceiver himself(satan)makes much more sense when the recorded information is honestly analyzed than this so called "scientist's" drek. It might also account for the MSM's attacks on Christianity if they are also being used as tools of the devil. Always keep your guard up lest you fall into the trap, and never underestimate your foe. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, mohammed is a false prophet, and yes that is my real name.
What is it with these 'scientists'? Jesus taught love, understanding and faith in ourselves. Don't these yokels have better things to do than to discredit Jesus? Why don't they try this with the islamic faith? Or is the chance of a fatwa to much for them to bear?
I think I prefer faith to all other explanations. It's the only thing that makes the most sense.
Well said all the way through. I love science, especially chemistry, but science, as we used to understand, cannot be trusted to control itself. You still have to have a way to decide right and wrong that stands outside and above a given technology. The question Christianity answers is not "can we do this" but "should we do this".
When I read stories ridiculing religion I always think of the word hubris.
Agnosticism makes sense to me; this is an awful lot to just believe, the whole God and religion thing. It takes faith.
But atheism? It takes more faith to be an atheist than religious.
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Science is very good at explaining "what" happened, or "how" it happened. Take, for instance, the Big Bang Theory. Some of the best scientific minds have come up with some pretty nifty equations that describe the universe 1/1000th of a second after the Bang. Very well. What science can't explain is what was going on 1/1000th of a second before the Bang, or how all that matter managed to get in one place to begin with. Even more importantly, science can't even touch "why" it all happened. That is where religion comes in.
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