Can You Imagine?: On the American "Elites"

History is coming for us, all of us...

Posted by gabrielpicasso at July 9, 2007 11:18 AM

You are correct and at a greater speed than we know. Or can know.

Posted by Gerard Van der Leun at July 9, 2007 11:28 AM

The first symptom of BDS, all shall be wonderful once one does exactly the opposite of what Bush wants.

You want to see something interesting? Replace every instance of "war in Iraq" with "darwinism" and "Bush" or "President Bush" with "darwinist" and see how it sounds. You may have to do some additional editing so it sounds right, but not all that much.

It's the same pre-Aristotalian reasoning, the same willful disregard for inconvenient truths in both cases. You could use holocaust denial, global warming denial, HIV/AIDS denial, or even sasquatch skepticism buzz words and get the same result. The Times editorial was first draft Michael Behe, when Behe is groggy with the flu.

Even worse, it was an act of hate. Hate for a man who dared overthrow the duly ordained successor to the holy prophet Bill Clinton. And then refused to abide by the findings of the self-enlightened. The Times editorial board is nothing more than a band of Rousseauan fundamentalists who never read Rousseau in their life.

As the saying goes, "You have the right to your own opinion. You do not have the right to your own facts."

Posted by Alan Kellogg at July 9, 2007 12:01 PM

The larger tragedy here is the millions who willfully absorb this sentiment without a second thought. one begins to see how the Germans fell in line with Hitler's Malignant narcissism.

As I doubt many westerners have the stomach to deal with the Islamic fundamentalism we currently face, I have to agree with gabrielpicasso's comment above.

Posted by Mark Krauss at July 9, 2007 3:22 PM

I simply cannnot comprehend the mindset depicted in your essay.

Then again, I've always been a worrywart.

Seriously, I think I'm coming to understand why Rome fell. They must have had the same kinds of feckless politicians and intellectuals that we do. The very idea that hordes of smelly, ignorant barbarians could defeat mighty Rome was laughable. The ruling classes assumed that the Roman army could deal with any threat. After all, they had always done so in the past.

Of course, as time went on, the children of the elite became less and less likely to go into the military, and they increasingly outsourced defense to members of the Germanic tribes...

Posted by rickl at July 9, 2007 5:28 PM

We are on a runaway train. Our constitutional, legal and political systems are broken beyond repair. World War IV is being birthed before our eyes in the Middle East. We have learned nothing. The open pit awaits us all.

Posted by Bob Sykes at July 9, 2007 6:50 PM

"When Pilate saw that he was not succeeding at all, but that a riot was breaking out instead, he took water and washed his hands in the sight of the crowd, saying, 'I am innocent of this man's blood. Look to it yourselves.'"

The NYT is quite right in desiring peace (or at least the absence of visible aggression), because peace is a great aid in acquiring happiness. Likewise the NYT is correct that genocide in Iraq, or even the wider Middle East, will have little effect on the happiness of the vast majority of the world outside of the small part which is being butchered. Also, since the NYT opposed the war from the beginning, they may, without hypocrisy or sentimentality, call for a general retreat from the war against Islamism. By this strategy, they might best succeed in their ambitions of a restoration and firm and final establishment of a new leftist order. Besides, we do not intend to establish an American empire. Eventually the Iraqis must fend for themselves, and, if the NYT was honest about it, would they not bet on an outcome like Gaza?

Yet the infamy of this act will not escape them, or any of us. Options remain in Iraq, yet passively allowing genocide so that life can return to a Seinfeldien world is an act of genuine evil. We will be judged and found wanting if, as a people, we allow this to succeed. It will be remembered as is remembered: "He was crucified under Pontius Pilate."

Posted by LRFD at July 9, 2007 7:53 PM

Seems like I always start my comments to this blog with a "wow". Some of your articles are like a corner post in a fence line to which all the other posts are connected. This is a corner post. You are so correct... Americans are going to be like a teenager that steals Dad's car, wrecks it while drinking beer with his buddies, then says, "Well, I didn't know."

Posted by dave harris at July 9, 2007 8:41 PM

The nature never changes. History will repeat itself, always has always will.

Posted by jeffersonranch at July 10, 2007 6:22 AM

Does this mean that the editors and owners of the NYT are psychopaths?

Would that essay be enough to diagnose them?

Posted by austin at July 10, 2007 10:31 AM

This is great stuff, and you're correct, it's coming at us at a much great speed than we can comprehend. The more comfortable we are in our lives, the more jolting the first shock waves are going to be.

We need to fasten our seat belts and get ready for a ride like no other.

Posted by Webutante at July 10, 2007 8:37 PM

If "moderate" Muslims were worth protecting from the lunatics among them, they wouldn't need it - they would take care of the matter themselves.

Since they apparently can't or won't, there is no obligation upon America or anywhere else in the West to spend any more lives or treasure at all, civilising people who don't want to be civilised.

What we need is not to stop them killing each other; it's to stop them killing us. And part of the way of doing that is to stop - immediately, permanently and completely - any people who are citizens of Muslim countries, or who call themselves Muslim, coming into America (or Britain, the second target). And to make it as uncomfortable for those already here as possible - ban construction of new mosques, ban Muslim marriage ceremonies, ban halal slaughter and ban construction of prayer rooms in any commercial establishment and time off for prayers. Even such things as reversing the decision to allow traditional Muslim female dress in schools as an alternative to proper school uniform.

And throw out, immediately, any Muslim not a citizen, and throw in jail any all rabble-rousing clerics who are citizens.

But it won't get done. Why? Simple. Muslims were given, by no merit of their own, control of one of the world's most important resources. Something also needs to be done to make that irrelevant.

Posted by Fletcher Christian at July 11, 2007 2:36 AM

A response here:

http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com/2007/07/rehearsing-for-uss-helicopter-moment.html

Posted by shaun at July 11, 2007 2:50 AM

A response here:

http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com/2007/07/rehearsing-for-uss-helicopter-moment.html

Posted by shaun at July 11, 2007 2:52 AM

Yeah, Shaun.... We could have just continued to enforce the No-Fly-Zone and Sanctions against Iraq in perpetuity.

Stop trying to relive your drug-addled glory days, Shaun, you old hippy. Not every war is Vietnam. Not every President is Nixon. Not every insurgent is Che Guevara. Not every march is the March on Selma. Not every dictator is Castro. Not every tyrant is Mao.

Stop dragging us into your Groundhog Day life. I was born in 1968. You sound like some dopey old hippy

There is no fool like an old fool....

Posted by Gray at July 11, 2007 10:04 AM

Oh would that if another terrorist attack is to come it will come to mid-town to Pinch's new Taj Mahal.Perhaps then the former paper of record now one I would not insult my fish by rapping them in it --- perhaps then Pinch and his minnions will get what they truly deserve. Destruction at the hands of those they support.

Posted by John Griffin at July 19, 2007 7:30 PM

Why are so many of our commenters emphasizing a repeat of historical doom?

Why not expect a repeat of our historical responses as sovereign humane beings?

What are we personally doing to respond as our comrades did in our Revolutionary War, Civil War, WW 1, WW 2, Korean War, Vietnam War, and are doing now in the Iraq War as savorers of liberty and safety for all? In these wars we prevailed despite dissension and sedition at home by the vocal few. In Vietnam, after the crushing defeat of the Viet Cong and N.Viets in their Tet offensive, a negotiated peace was accomplished which could have kept S. Vietnam free if not for their betrayal by the US Congress and the N.Viets.

We face an analogous situation in Iraq today. Like the N.Viets, the Jihadists know the value of hudnas to allow for rebuilding their military for the next assault.

For us, we simpering civilians, to speak of and slavishly await a return to tyranny is to shirk the work called for by the American spirit

Have we forgotten our heritage as explained plainly in our Declaration of Independence, and the consequences for us and the rest of the world for acting on those principles?

And if we don't today have leaders as inspiring as Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and Reagan, let us at least support the the best we have now. If our current leaders and aspirants have feet of clay, let us lift them onto our shoulders and soldier on. Followers can be leaders too, as our troops at all levels in Iraq demonstrate every day.
How many among us are able to do more for our mutual life and liberty? What value is served when we B & M about the avalanche of atrocities supposedly bearing down on us from the miserable parts of history?

What killed the ass, that is, caused the demise of the despondent donkey
was lack of sass,
self-defeating behavior of a flunking flunky.

To be human is not enough. Jihadists are human too.
Be an active Humane! Off your ass and up your courage and commitment.

Posted by FamouslyUnknown at January 12, 2008 7:48 PM

Augustine writes that our present concern "is to combat the theory of cycles."

This does not mean there aren't cycles, but rather as far as I can tell the old, pagan world believed that nothing advanced or evolved it just repeated. You were stuck and doomed.

We have a real hope, but it must be backed up with the right decisions, I'd say. The cycles exist, and will come for us if we turn a blind eye. If we think 'this is it, we've finally achieved the kingdom' we're moments from a return to chaos. It happened to Rome, it happened to Russia...

to FamouslyUnknown, the problem is precisely this: We fail to be human at all. We choose wrongly, and thus sink below ourselves. We don't look to become supernatural, but actually natural again...

Posted by RiverC at October 2, 2008 4:26 AM

"Our mind can and does see things we cannot stand to admit", or as Jung put it, the unconcious mind of man sees clearly even when reason is blind or impotent.
Your understanding is also that of Goethe--by nature we have no defect that cannot become a strength and no strength that cannot become a defect.
So we are both men in this picture.
The founders understood. Men who live with the demands of liberty would not be seen on either side of that ditch.
It seems we will go back to universality now, the natural state for men.

Posted by james wilson at October 2, 2008 7:57 AM

What's interesting, is the vast number of Jews who were NKVD agents, who participated in the mass murder of White Christians, and thought nothing of it.

Some of them are not so unknown - and after blooding their hands with the blood of gentiles, jumped on the Jewish "Holocaust" bandwagen, commemorating Jewish suffering, and ignoring the suffering inflicted by Jews.

For example, Yitzhak Arad - the found of Yad Vashem.


("Duh, who is he? I don't know" - American Digest reader)

Posted by Jahan at October 3, 2008 8:29 PM

You won't hear from Israel's supporters, how the Zionists ethnically cleansed Palestine in 1948.

Duh, what's the Deir Yassin massacre? Duh, what's the Tantura massacre? Ummm, what's the Dawaymeh massacre?

Duh, duh, duh...

Jews - and their supporters - are ONLY capable of commemorating Jewish victims - but NOT the victims of Jews.

Posted by Jahan at October 3, 2008 8:57 PM

Jahan, Jahan (hand waving in the air) pick me I know

Tha Dair Yassin massacre occurred April 9, 1946 when The Irgun militia killed 107 Arab militiamen and villagers in the village of Dair Yassin. Now, the number of Arabs who were killed in legitimate combat as opposed to civilians unlawfully targeted is hard to determine, but certainly some civilians were unlawfully killed. Five days later, the Arabs took reprisal by killing 79 wounded militiamen and civilian medical personnel in the Hadassah massacre.

Tantura masacre -- a highly disputed allegation of 240 Arabs killed in the village of Tantura made by a graduate student named Theodore Katz who then disavowed his statement in court

Dawaymah massacre -- A legitimate allegation of 80 to 100 Arabs killed by Jewish militia in the village of Dawaymah which many Jews always believes was the well spring for the 1929 Hebron and Sahel massacres in which a similar number of Jews were killed by Arabs

So to put it all in context, after we toss out the bogus Tantura allegation, Jews have the blood of some 200 Arabs on their hands for the Dawaymah and Dar Yassin massacres -- about 10% of the number of Jews killed each time the main gas chamber at Auschwitz was put into operation

Posted by Callmelennie at May 30, 2012 1:44 PM

Keep working ,remarkable job!

Posted by Andrew Pelt at May 30, 2012 1:50 PM

Here we are talking about "massacres" and no one is citing original sources of documentation, instead referring to allegations and not to war crime investigations or trials!

For example, the 1998 report of the Research and Documentation Center of Bir Zeit University, a prominent Arab university in Palestinian-held territory, regarding the Deir Yassin battle, supports the contention of not more than 120 Arabs killed, based on interviews with surviving Arab eyewitnesses. Civilians killed in crossfire, if there, were there PERHAPS as human shields for their Arab brethren, as is the common situation in confrontations nowadays.

No wonder the web has a reputation for mindless mush represented as facts-in-context.
It appears, we'd rather blather than spend meaningful effort gathering pertinent factual information based on stated checkable original sources -- especially when talking about possible heinous crimes.

Posted by Famously Unknown at May 30, 2012 4:25 PM

So what are you advocating, GVDL? An Iraq-style invasion and conquest of Syria? Because, you know, that worked out so well in Iraq -- now a Christian-free, 100% Islamic paradise thanks to Coalition "liberation".

Assad is an asshole, but his presence is all that's keeping Syria's Christian community alive. The minute he's gone, the slaughter of Syria's Christians will commence.

The purpose of the United States military is to defend the United States, not keep the peace in Syria. As much as I detest the Assad regime, and as much as I hate the current situation there, it's not our problem, and any attempt to make it our problem will only make things worse.

Posted by B Lewis at May 30, 2012 4:33 PM

An invasion and conquest? Not at all.

Posted by vanderleun at May 30, 2012 4:35 PM

Sanctions imposed by the United States, the European Union and others are having an effect.

If imposing sanctions actually had the effect of bringing dictators into line, we'd never actually have to impose sanctions.

Liberalism is the self-paving road to hell. Which is fine with me, but they keep insisting we come along for the ride and STFU while they're driving...

Posted by BillT at May 31, 2012 1:50 AM

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come." Matthew 24:6

Posted by Casca at May 31, 2012 10:37 AM

One suggestion, while they cannot imagine real horror in the real world, they can imagine little else in their TV shows and Hollywood productions.

Somehow the reality in Syria is unspeakable, but the cop shows, fantasy produtions (I almost said science fiction), etc. show, in detail, very active imaginations for real cruelty and horrible treatment of fellow men.

Something inherent in the Leftist mind?

Posted by Dave Juncer at June 15, 2012 10:12 PM

My opinion remains unchanged.

Posted by B Lewis at June 18, 2014 3:03 AM

"What small and contemptible minds."

So true.

If they could only feel the contempt I hold for such fucking weasels.

Posted by monkeyfan at June 18, 2014 3:43 AM

Thanks for the reprise.

I was living in Boston from 1957 through 1966 attending high school and college. One of the things I remember about the time were all the little old people with blue numbers tattooed on their arms. My first wife knew a girl who had been born in one of the camps. Nowadays, on campuses everywhere, it is fashionable once again to despise the Jews.

Posted by bob sykes at June 18, 2014 4:01 AM

" . . . like so many now, "refuse" to imagine what awaits them; "refuse" to imagine how their "Happy World" can ever change."

Don't look now cowards and sheep out there. It is coming to America and it is not far off. Swarms of invading, non-assimilating beasts are within.

Posted by Terry at June 18, 2014 7:31 AM

Good stuff, kinda stands the test of time, don't it.

Posted by Casca at June 18, 2014 11:09 AM

If ever there was an argument for the US to follow an isolationist policy it is with stuff like this.

"I am tired of fooling around, he said. As for the rights of anyone, tell your people they can go fuck themselves." The Colonel by Carolyn Forche

Of course, it takes leaders with courage to do the right thing. Our poofter in charge treats his citizens worse than his international opponents.

Posted by chasmatic at June 19, 2014 7:40 AM

My uncle's name was Louie Lozko. Everyone called him "Letsgo Lozko".
He raised bantam chickens.

Posted by chasmatic at June 19, 2014 10:19 AM

People are doomed to think that their culture, their world, are far removed from a consuming evil. The author was right, it will happen again. There are times I pray for those who have passed and those left behind.
A needed story for our times, for every time.
arlene

Posted by arlene at June 19, 2014 12:29 PM

Ever again?
Mob rioting in malls, on trains, on college campuses, rejection of civil confrontations to resolve issues, cowardice displayed by government and school officials bode ill.
This time the attackees are whites of all ethnicities, Christians, Jews, non-LGBTQs.
The malcontented attackers are the envious, jealous, incompetents, retrograded infantile intellectuals, puppeteers and puppets.
Teach yourself well. Your children ...

Posted by Howard Nelson at April 26, 2017 6:12 AM

Then there's the Judiciary. Stuffed to the gills with Progressives who took an oath to defend the very document they despise. The idea of "draining the swamp" is absurd. Swamps have useful creatures,like frogs,who inhabit them. DC is nothing more than a sewer,where PEWSLAG reigns supreme. The sand is slipping through the hourglass of normalcy ever faster.

Posted by Nori at April 26, 2017 7:35 AM

Aaron Appelfeld lives.

Were we serious about "never again," war would never end.

It is pointless to complain that people are not wise, and doubly pointless to complain the rich are not wise. It is fun though. And can be insightful as this is.

History cannot change until human nature changes. Human nature cannot change as long as the world is corrupted. The world will remain corrupted until He returns.

Posted by ErisGuy at April 26, 2017 7:37 AM

"...world is corrupted."
========================

Retarded.
If any thing is corrupted it is the criminal force in control of the geographical location known as The United States and by it's own extension every other place on this planet.

Eliminate that criminal force and you will see millions of problems vanish instantly.

They create problems, that's what they do, that's ALL they do.

Posted by ghostsniper at April 26, 2017 6:09 PM

The guys doing the shooting sure don't look like Germans. Who are they?

Dan Kurt

Posted by Dan Kurt at April 27, 2017 10:39 AM

For the previous eight years we saw in Europe, Asia, Middle East the effects of the 'criminal force' United States in repose -- thereby allowing the blooming of new toxic weeds.
Like it or not, imperfect as we may be, the USA stands against the tyrants and for fairness, though it may not be self-evident to some perfectionists.

Posted by Howard Nelson at April 27, 2017 4:46 PM